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Well I don't know, Scott. I think mostly it people take pleasure in certain things, and if someone else does not, then ergo, they don't like pleasure. It's a short logic conclusion. It only makes sense if you don't think too far into it.

Being out of the mainstream certainly gives one a different perspective. Being a vegan in France was fascinating, people's reactions say a lot about them and how they view the world. Although everyone reacts differently, there are some major themes.

Music is similar. My tastes are not those of my generation, but many people think I'll enjoy what they enjoy - doesn't everyone? My life has been a long soundtrack of music I hate being blasted out by well meaning people. I'm sure a lot of you can relate to that. 🙂
 
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Earl Grey said:
And I'm all for food for pleasure; it's a shame if you haven't experienced vegan food presented that way. Too many great meals to count, but I won't ever forget the tasting menu at the late Charlie Trotter's.
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I am fully vegan..for 3 days a week. Today's lunch: avocado with special quality Modena balsamic vinegar, rye crackers with homemade hummus. Quick, easy and healthy. I prepare my food everyday. I know what I eat and only buy quality food.
In Italy even better because I produce some of my own healthy food without pesticides and other bad stuff. I also hunt and eat game. Natural meat. I go for exquisite white truffles (that sell for 2000 euro per Kg and you will pay at least 5000 euro/kg at the restaurant...so you only get the scent if your dish is affordable otherwise it's lower quality stuff), chestnuts, mushrooms of all kind but mainly porcini. Next week I' ll be there for the entire month for all this naturally sourced food. White truffles season starts on Oct. 1st., hunting season started a couple of weeks ago. As every year it's time to make the wine too....it's shame you have no idea about all this! OK I think I am lucky with food but having good food is not a problem in general. Of course if one spends all his money on gadgets like i-phones etc. and buys junk food that is his choice. I don't have an i-phone. I don't actually have a mobile phone at all. Meat is not the problem.

I only go to restaurants on special occasions. Instead I see that more and more people don't cook they just go out all time for eating. Some can't even fry an egg, the simplest thing in the world. When I bought my current house the kitchen had been renewed 5 years earlier but it was new!
 
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Then you obviously understand that plant-based food can be a source of great enjoyment; perhaps I'm misreading the point you were making when you said this:

"In my opinion Italy will never be a largely or totally vegan place because food is not seen just like the source for survival. It's also pleasure."

Your lunch above sounds superb (I love to cook also - did so professionally for a little while - though in the midwestern US high-quality and very fresh produce is harder to find than it was when I lived in Europe)!
 
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The underlying factor responsible for this trend is difficult to pinpoint: “The issue of childhood obesity is paradoxically more prominent in the south of Italy, where the Mediterranean diet should be more prevalent”
Ah ah
I went to Naples one month ago
In the morning you can have one croissant with cream which weights a LOT for 1 €
Then there's fried pizza ---about 3 € --- for inter-lunch 😛
Go and walk and eat an ice cream etc.

But the brioche with cream is super !

What about pasta & beans I had yesterday ? Double, of course, 'cos us vegetarians have to eat twice or 3-4 X to feel adeguately "feed".
In a zootechical way 🙄
 
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Pano said:
Curiously I have a kitchen full of knives, but don't butcher or eat meat. What could this mean? :scratch:
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Originally by Frankie Boyle >
They've got a good thing at Scottish football games where you're not allowed to bring food to the ground and they actually search you, when you're going in, to make sure you've not got food on you. It's nice to see we've got our !!!!!!! priorities right isn't it? What's this sir? A knife. I hope you weren't planning on making sandwiches.
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Earl Grey said:
This is a summary from 2015:
Obesity in Italy | EASO
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Ok technically speaking it is about 1/3 but in reality only about 10% is really obese with health problems or hazards. The others are just overweight with no serious problems. Something that can be fixed easily in a reasonably short time with just a balanced diet.
There is some politics involved in the link above so one needs to know details and read the numbers carefully. Never trust politicians and those involved to some degree with them. 😀
 
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picowallspeaker said:
I mean, when I walk around home at 8 PM there is meat smoke in every street 'cos there are restaurants and everyone, the tourists, wants to eat the "fiorentina", which is a steak :nod:😡
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We are coming to Italy next week and genuine Chianina beef is on my wife's list. BTW I'm personally somewhat ambivalent but bistecca alla fiorentina is not a tourist item but part of the local culture.
 
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