Small clarification , we use only 160ma at about 14v (75 and 85ma ) about 2.5W of heat on analog stage
My single mosfet power amp is (of course) Single Ended. So (of course) pure class A. And delivering 20 Watts at the output.
Not that green anyway 😀
Less is more...the main reason for that is when you have a more complex stage , it becomes harder to design correctly . Even when designed correctly you need a good PSU with low noise and right impedance.
We think we have designed it correctly . We also think that DC rails (+- 15V) are noise free.Clocks jitter and rise time and incredible .Opamp design was done by Sparkoslabs (and they excel in opamps) in class A (who remembers the sound of a class A amp ?)
Overall we think that , when done correctly , more can signify a better sound.
I'm getting curious. And I'm willing to pay 400 euro's for a really good sounding DAC.
But I'm also a strong believer of the power of the human ear and brain (although I'm an engineer). I've had a preamp build with bloody expensive Burr Brown opamps and a dead quit power supply, but to my ears a single 6N1P tube used in a SRPP configuration is way, way, way, way better. It draws you into the music. You are part of it. This experience I have never had with opamps. Measurements don't tell everything. The human brain is way too complex. If you are focusing too much on the measurements, you may loose the music....
And I've never understood the whole idea about Operational Amplifiers for audio. First you set a gain to 1.000.000 or something and than you subtract 99%. Why? So you get a THD of 0.00001%? I'd rather have a gain of 5 with no feedback and a THD of 0.1%. Like a Bugatti: adding a **** load of horses to a car with the weight of a small truck. A Lotus is more fun. It is not better, just more entertaining.
This is also the reason why other people have asked if there is the option of changing the analog board I guess. Replacing a few dozen of transistors with 1 transformer or just a few Jfets sounds nice to me (even if the noise and THD go up big time: I don't care).
I do understand the jitter part (although good is good enough I guess). And I also know the importance of a decent PSU.
But the prove is in the eating. Maybe it sounds good too 😉
I'm very positive about the Boss, so Allo gets the benefit of the doubt.
Speaking of changing the analog board, could you provide the exact position and the type of the connector from dac boad to analog board for the ones who would want to experiment with different analog board technologies?
I'm getting curious. And I'm willing to pay 400 euro's for a really good sounding DAC.
But I'm also a strong believer of the power of the human ear and brain (although I'm an engineer). I've had a preamp build with bloody expensive Burr Brown opamps and a dead quit power supply, but to my ears a single 6N1P tube used in a SRPP configuration is way, way, way, way better. It draws you into the music. You are part of it. This experience I have never had with opamps. Measurements don't tell everything. The human brain is way too complex. If you are focusing too much on the measurements, you may loose the music....
And I've never understood the whole idea about Operational Amplifiers for audio. First you set a gain to 1.000.000 or something and than you subtract 99%. Why? So you get a THD of 0.00001%? I'd rather have a gain of 5 with no feedback and a THD of 0.1%. Like a Bugatti: adding a **** load of horses to a car with the weight of a small truck. A Lotus is more fun. It is not better, just more entertaining.
This is also the reason why other people have asked if there is the option of changing the analog board I guess. Replacing a few dozen of transistors with 1 transformer or just a few Jfets sounds nice to me (even if the noise and THD go up big time: I don't care).
I do understand the jitter part (although good is good enough I guess). And I also know the importance of a decent PSU.
But the prove is in the eating. Maybe it sounds good too 😉
I'm very positive about the Boss, so Allo gets the benefit of the doubt.
The way that I understand it...monolitic opamps have great specs but dont deliver a great music experience . Discrete opamps are different .
This is a link that explains the differences Audio Op Amps - It's The Loop Gain You Seek, Not The Bandwidth - SparkoS Labs Inc.
Will you also develop a case for the full stack?
It will take a while for alu but yes. To start we will have acrylic
I hope this is the right thread to ask. I've been using Kali successfully with Piano for years. Have now changed my setup and using Kali with ES9023 (Currman DAC). It works good, when connected through jumper wires. I can also use my setup with U.FL cables, but I can’t get the U.FL socket on the back of Kali working. Should it work out of the box, or I need to mod something? With jumper cable the MCLK is OK, but not from the U.FL socket.
The problem seems not to be the U.FL connection, but getting it working. By default, when I switch on my setup, there is just quite loud noise/humm coming from MCLK u.fl connection. When I additionally connect MCLK by jumper from PIN 29 on Kali, it starts to work. And I can remove the jumper wire from PIN 29. It even survives restarts, but not power off. Then I have to do the procedure again. I’m using ALLO’s power supply and tested with others also, no change. Tested with different U.FL cables, same result.
Any ideas?
Any ideas?
Yes, it has has no effect on that.
I powered Kali and RPI separately, so powering off and on RPI will not break the U.FL connection. Of course when powering off/on Kali, it will.
I powered Kali and RPI separately, so powering off and on RPI will not break the U.FL connection. Of course when powering off/on Kali, it will.
The way that I understand it...monolitic opamps have great specs but dont deliver a great music experience . Discrete opamps are different .
This is a link that explains the differences Audio Op Amps - It's The Loop Gain You Seek, Not The Bandwidth - SparkoS Labs Inc.
How does the Katana sound in comparison to other dac's e.g. the Boss? There are several ess9038 dac's out there, Pro-ject pre S2; Topping D50 that use dual 9038's that early reviews claim sound clean/neutral and a typical sabre sound. It's going to be the analog stage that makes the difference, so I am hoping that Katana is going to rise up above the standard sabre implementations out there.
Its hard to answer, but compared with Boss ...not in the same class.
I think Katana its not about ess9038q2m , its about the implementation . Project and Topping ave very good dacs text book implementations .
Katana is not.
I think Katana its not about ess9038q2m , its about the implementation . Project and Topping ave very good dacs text book implementations .
Katana is not.
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Hi,
I got kali 44/48 clocks version. I am considering upgrading those clocks to Crystek. Since I am listening to only Tidal (low audio frequencies) can I change those clocks to 22/24?
Regards
Hi,
i have the same question. PCM1794A is not working with 45/49 MHz clock at low samplerates (44/48 kHz). Higher samplerates are working. The problem is then, that Kali switches back to 48 kHz when there is no I2S signal coming from the Raspberry Pi. The result are loud clicks when music starts/stops playing.
regards
Martin
Why does Kali output an I2S signal if there is no I2S at the input? Is this a bug or a feature?
I'm curious if Katana can be compared, in any way, to Soekris dam1021?
Perhaps the advantage of dam/katana is obvious?
Perhaps the advantage of dam/katana is obvious?
It does improve the raw output because the impedance is lower and the current output is higher.
If the analog output is really capable of delivering high currents and has a really low impedance, it should be possible to connect headphones directly....
Does the final output stage have a 3.5mm connector?
If the analog output is really capable of delivering high currents and has a really low impedance, it should be possible to connect headphones directly....
Does the final output stage have a 3.5mm connector?
No it does not. We will study more on the headphone capabilities
I'm curious if Katana can be compared, in any way, to Soekris dam1021?
Perhaps the advantage of dam/katana is obvious?
Once I'm able to get one, I'll be comparing it to my 2 DAM 1021 setups.
Greg in Mississippi
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