Juice goose? Seriously. I do like the quote from their whitepaper on how much better their products were from the competitors, tested in their own labs
Well that's all fine then 🙂
Well that's all fine then 🙂
Well the test results are impressive. The only flaw I could see is that they test the different pieces of equipment at different times/days, assuming that the junk on the line would be the same or at least similar each day at the same time. That's not scientific.
Jan
None of the online images of Juice Goose products that I looked at, had labels that said "Protected by US Patent # A,BCD,EFG". Yet their white paper brags about patented technology. I wonder what the patent number is, and who owns it ... perhaps not Juice Goose themselves.
I looked at the "Test Report" and its sadly lacking in important details. For example was the surge normal mode or common mode? They are using a 100 KHz ring wave which is more of a tickle than a surge for a surge suppressor. My guess is that they have a large series inductor. The Surgex uses an inductor (originally wound on a paper tube full of nails) and Zeners +a big cap to limit the surge. It works but not on common mode surges. And that cap (a big electrolytic) can and will fail.
I would like to see their patent. Its actually illegal and actionable to claim a patent you don't actually have or has expired (the lawyers have been very clear on this), not to mention leaving things wide open for copying since no one know what you are protecting.
I would like to see their patent. Its actually illegal and actionable to claim a patent you don't actually have or has expired (the lawyers have been very clear on this), not to mention leaving things wide open for copying since no one know what you are protecting.
I would not put much credence into a monitoring comparison. Where I am there is no activity to monitor (I have had a monitor on for a year with burps only when I had to pull the main power down). Maybe in Colorado or in Florida (or South Africa) you would get some action but its not conclusive of much. There are plenty of accepted standard tests for surge and filtering that actually show what the product can do.
A popular headworn mic company stopped paying fees and kept flogging their patent in a most hostile fashion on their website. I wish someone had called their bluff.
On a more optimistic note: I went to the Newport Show, this weekend. I found my 'people' there. Lots of old time designers to rap with, as well as very happy and very well off audiophiles who would hardly worry about upgrading to a $14,000 tone arm, and such. Most of these audiophiles appeared to be professional: professors (several), successful businessmen, and even working design electrical engineers. (who knew?) It was wonderful to interact with them, and learn a thing or two about all kinds of things like phono turntable setup, etc. These guys care about details!
The overall show was good, with many good sounding rooms, and lots of exotic tube designs.
MQA, as it was presented, was disappointing, but I attribute it to the demo, not the process. I will go next year, if possible.
The overall show was good, with many good sounding rooms, and lots of exotic tube designs.
MQA, as it was presented, was disappointing, but I attribute it to the demo, not the process. I will go next year, if possible.
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If I were sensitive I might see that as a whole series of put downs to us poor plebs who cannot afford $14k tonearms...
Surge-X has a very large value series L (potted) in the Hot line. Not much transisent voltage can get thru it. It does not have same in Neutral line.
THx-RNMarsh
THx-RNMarsh
OTOH, there actually is some justification- if you want a very low friction arm with good control of resonance, that takes more than a slapdash effort and cheap materials. Does it need to be $14k? I dunno, but I do know it can't be done optimally for the same price as an audibly transparent amp or preamp.
"These are the dudes that pay my bills!"
(In my head I said "suckers" but let's be nice. 😀)
Edit to add: as SY mentions, there are certain places where uber-fi doesn't mean you're not getting good engineering, it's just very hard to justify that kind of marginal return.
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Bill, I can't afford a $14,000 tone arm either. I use a simple Linn arm that came with the turntable. Still, I had a better arm once, and I would get it back if I could afford it.
At least SY knows his tonearms. Why? Because they are more measurable and easier to note the flaws. Negative feedback appears to take away our measurement differences, but not necessarily the sound differences. Why? That is the question that I have.
At this point I should note I have an SME309, which I got cheap 18 years ago and, if I were to replace in America would cost $2000 these days. That's as much engineering as I can justify. I know some don't rate it, but it does what it says on the tin without a rattle or a grumble.
Bill, its John. That's how he is. Let it slide.
Jan
OT: just had a long walk through Paris. I tell you, on a night like this, it's pretty well impossible to overrate French women...
Jan
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