Ditto. Thing is, what I say is consistent with modern science, not something I'm making up along the way.
Neither did I. The issue is entirely of your creation.
No matter what, it seems to be irrelevant hyperbole.
In case you don't recall, this is a discussion about small or vanishing audible differences, such as those due to different brands of nominally appropriate capacitors.
Comments about hearing foghorns seem irrelevant.
Congratulations on spelling English correctly this time, but no need to be insulting.
Please contemplate the possibility that some might see your position as that of the illiterate narcissist.
Thanks again for the gratuitous personal attacks. Speaks to character. I've been trying hard to confine my statements to comments about what people say and how they say it, not their personal characteristics.
It is fun drawing out some people's true character... They are their own worst enemies, it seems.
Maybe the answer is simply apophenia.
Research: Phantom Voices: Hearing voice where there is only noise
So perhaps doing everyone a favour and drawing a line under this now and before it escalates into bin time would be a sensible move. There are far to many threads spiralling down this type of path at the moment.
So what.
I trust that my brain is interpreting my ears correctly.
So does JC, so do musicians, so do sound engineers, so do lot's of listeners.
Dan.
Indeed but only if we can't see anything.
Once visual clues come into play our brains are wired in a way that they will always side with the eyes over our ears. It even goes as far as to be making things up so it fits with what we see.
Which really is not that surprising because besides some house keeping functions that is what the brain does: It makes things up and we call the result 'consciousness'.
Usually this overlaps with physical reality quite well or at least well enough to serve the purpose but it also can be way off at times.
It serves well if it helps you to survive another day in the jungle out there. Beyond that - who cares what reality is really like
Jan
I guess this is an important issue.
Seeing the cable, and remembering the visuals of the moment when we payed a large sum of money, does the brain actually "makes" the music to sound more pleasant? Or does it put you in a state where you enjoy the music more than before? Even if there's no real difference?
In the case of binaural beats, the brain is fooled into perceiving a third frequency that is the difference between the frequencies in each ear. That frequency is not in what you actually hear at all. It is a virtual "sound" that is perceived. If the brain can do this, how much can you rely on it as to say you can hear very fine details in certain situations?
And this has nothing to do with visual input. It's just ears+brain.
I was watching a program on the brain last night where they pointed out that, as musicians are working off learned response that the conscious mind takes a back seat as they get into the 'zone'. So whilst performing they may well be on autopilot.
Tweak their instruments and they will describe sonic differences accurately and immediately.
Dan.
It serves well if it helps you to survive another day in the jungle out there. Beyond that - who cares what reality is really like
Jan
You can always change your reality to something more interesting.
There are plenty of plants and fungi which will temporarily do that for you. ;-)
Sighted? sure you are not telling them what the tweak will do. Bear in mind in blind tests violinists can't tell a strad from a cheapo!
From what I've read it is much simpler than that. It just squirts out a higher dose of dopamine so we have a 'better feeling' when listening to one or the other.
Jan
I have seen the opposite, I lost the link but a very experienced local luthier admitted he could not tell the difference between an op-amp and fancy discrete pick-up amp. Difference and preference keep getting mixed up. One can find several studies of differences being picked up that end up having no correlation to provenance.
So reductio ad absurdum we get to 'extreme Arny' where all pleasure derived from listening to music is a reward system in our brains being stimulated. Therefore knowing that there is no difference in the level of dopamine between music, a donut or a pill we can all sell our hifi and get out kicks through some chemicals
So reductio ad absurdum we get to 'extreme Arny' where all pleasure derived from listening to music is a reward system in our brains being stimulated. Therefore knowing that there is no difference in the level of dopamine between music, a donut or a pill we can all sell our hifi and get out kicks through some chemicals
Ask any junky
Jan
Not being a trust fund baby, I still count my change after every cash transaction.
You can seriously say that given all of the evidence presented here lately that the brain can go off on its own?
I have a number of friends who are deep into denial. They for example smoke several packs a day. What can be done? Nothing.
I know a number of people who still believe in audible differences even though they guess randomly when they have to do it without non-audible cures. We are still friends...
I never said that naivete is very rare. Denial is actually very common.
If that floats your boat, so be it!
There are no normal persons that lack bias.
Many of the differences that are involved, if measured, are relatively large as compared to the differences among good audio gear.
There are more differences than that.
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