BTW, I am happy to report that Greece is still as great a tourist destination as it was before. If not actually better, because the squeeze of the economic crisis has made Greeks become more serious in getting back into the tourist game despite the tremendous rise of competition next door, in Turkey. I have seen quite a number of Turkish car plates on the roads in Greece, and most starting with 34 (which is Istanbul), which in view of what the Turks have built over the last 15 years or so, much of it based on German capital, is saying something.
Yassas, George! Tsatsiki as good as ever if not better, but we here in Serbia still beat you there in Greece by a mile in preparing. If you are passing through Belgrade, I'll be happy to back that claim up by specific examples. After all, while not blood related, we are still cousins, since we Serbs derive our language, religion and customs from you Greeks.
Yassas, George! Tsatsiki as good as ever if not better, but we here in Serbia still beat you there in Greece by a mile in preparing. If you are passing through Belgrade, I'll be happy to back that claim up by specific examples. After all, while not blood related, we are still cousins, since we Serbs derive our language, religion and customs from you Greeks.
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Welcome back from your holiday, Dejan,- hope you had a good one ...
Thank you Frank, it was indeed wonderful all around. Just as I expected and hoped for from Greece, which has never let me down ever since I first set foot in it in February 1964, as a lad of 10.5 years.
In 1971, I graduated high school with a paper titled "Athenian Slaveowner Democracy", with the highest grade, much of it based on my studies and literature from Ye Olde England. The year before that, my parents and I, upon leaving Turkey after my father's second tour of duty working for the UN in Turkey, we toured most of Greece from the extreme north to the Peloponese, and the ancient cities of Olympia and Sparta. Thus, my love affair with Greece has a rich and wonderful history I am very proud of.
The long and the short of it is, how can I miss? In Greece, I don't feel as if I am abroad, more like visiting cultural cousins, not really in a foreign country. An extention of my own cultural milieu.
And, because I am tall by Greek stadards, naturally fair haired and with a Nordic complexion, I always get aske by priests in Greek churches, very politely of course where I'm from. Upon learning that I am from Serbia, most priests actually bless me and present family with greatr approval, which tells me that they are well updated on current religious affairs; the official position of the Serbian Orthodox Church is that if there are no Serbian churches around, we should go to Greek ones, and failing that, Russian ones.
You see, down here, where the Ottoman Turks ruled for 500 years, churches are much more than houses of religion, they were cultural centers where people met, mixed and exchanged news. After which the discussion moved to local tavernas in Greece and their equivalents in Serbia.
Most of the vocals on that album were Mick Abrahams. Talk about an accent, listen to his intro to "The Change Song" on Blodwyn Pig's "Ahead Rings Out."
Cutting the grooves a bit to close together is one. Poor lacquers or stamper processing is another. But I haven't heard the CD, so I don't know if it's pressing or tape, thus my question to those who have.
@Dejan,
Welcome back , did you try the curry Goat this time, best when done as the Ottoman's did way back when
Read back , as i have observed before, it appears those favoring analog rig over digital have both and usually at reference level , yet those with bog standard Digital and zero analog condemns such opinions with bravado and tons of digital dogma ...
So if i may ,
*digital is more accurate ... Err no one said it wasn't more faithful with its lithographic return.
* The problem is not digital ..! No one said it was ......
* analog has tracking errors , surface noise , distortion , distortion ..Ok!
Yet it provides more musical satisfaction and a intimacy not offered by digital, digital noise is unnatural , analog is not , really good analog reproduction surpasses the best Digital i have heard , it does and from experience , when exposed , even die hard digititis individuals agree....
Granted most of the music being tossed around here as favorites wouldn't sound good to me on advanced martian servostats , regardless CD or Lp and agree there is nothing worse than bad analog pressings , well except cd's of bad analog recordings ...
I usually throw out LP's like that , well except my Beetles selection ( horrid, dead, blah blah stuff that never gets played ) ..
Welcome back , did you try the curry Goat this time, best when done as the Ottoman's did way back when
Read back , as i have observed before, it appears those favoring analog rig over digital have both and usually at reference level , yet those with bog standard Digital and zero analog condemns such opinions with bravado and tons of digital dogma ...
So if i may ,
*digital is more accurate ... Err no one said it wasn't more faithful with its lithographic return.
* The problem is not digital ..! No one said it was ......
* analog has tracking errors , surface noise , distortion , distortion ..Ok!
Yet it provides more musical satisfaction and a intimacy not offered by digital, digital noise is unnatural , analog is not , really good analog reproduction surpasses the best Digital i have heard , it does and from experience , when exposed , even die hard digititis individuals agree....
Granted most of the music being tossed around here as favorites wouldn't sound good to me on advanced martian servostats , regardless CD or Lp and agree there is nothing worse than bad analog pressings , well except cd's of bad analog recordings ...
I usually throw out LP's like that , well except my Beetles selection ( horrid, dead, blah blah stuff that never gets played ) ..
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@Dejan,
Welcome back , did you try the curry Goat this time, best when done as the Ottoman's did way back when
With French's Hot Mustard and Light Coke?
Ottomans and curry? Giddidad outta there, you ol' hound dawg!
Read back , as i have observed before, it appears those favoring analog rig over digital have both and usually at reference level , yet those with bog standard Digital and zero analog condemns such opinions with bravado and tons of digital dogma ...
So if i may ,
*digital is more accurate ... Err no one said it wasn't more faithful with its lithographic return.
* The problem is not digital ..! No one said it was ......
* analog has tracking errors , surface noise , distortion , distortion ..Ok!
Yet it provides more musical satisfaction and a intimacy not offered by digital, digital noise is unnatural , analog is not , really good analog reproduction surpasses the best Digital i have heard , it does and from experience , when exposed , even die hard digititis individuals agree....
Granted most of the music being tossed around here as favorites wouldn't sound good to me on advanced martian servostats , regardless CD or Lp and agree there is nothing worse than bad analog pressings , well except cd's of bad analog recordings ...
I usually throw out LP's like that , well except my Beetles selection ( horrid, dead, blah blah stuff that never gets played ) ..
Wayne, I agree a bad pressing, be it LP or CD, is, well, depressing. In my case as well they invariably end up in the rubbish bin.
The fact that a person bent on analog also has a CD player, when you think about it, means diddley. It could be a bad 'un, despite a famous name and a whopping price tag, I have unfortunately heard a few samples of the breed, just as I have heard a few units which played better music than they had any right to - matter of fact, I own such a player, I refer to the NAD. A NAD for Christ's sake, me with a NAD, a company I rather dislike overall, but, it does sound better than I would ever dream a relatively cheap player ever could pull off.
In short, if you own a hell of a good TT/cartrige combination, and a high quality RIAA stage, compared to a similar CD player the analog rig might well do a better job overall.
However, a better choice of the CD player may well complicate things no end. Obviously, it works the other way too, if you have agreat CD player and a so-so TT/cartridge/RIAA stage, so you swear by the CD, changing something in the analog rig may make you change your mind.
As I see it, the key difference is CD is a given "as is", few will dare venture inside for some meaningful modification which may entail some serious reworking of this or that (but often the PSU), while in the analog rig you have as many as 3 variables you can play with, even 4 if you break the TT into a plinth and a motor with a separate tone arm. It's simply more open, more inviting and relatively eaiser to do, although probably also more costly. But most of us don't think much about prices when it comes to our beloved audio. Not until we notice our wives conspicuously sharpening the butchering knife.
I admit, analog is much more fun to tinker with and somehow more rewarding when you manage to improve over the initial setup. And there's always the ritual procedure of putting an LP on, complaiing about a warp we think wasn't there yesterday, working out how worn out is your stylus, fiddling with input capacitance to get it just right, and so forth. Thern, lo and behold, taping it on an open reel recorder, so you save the LP in as good condition as you can. It truly IS a lot of fun. CD is bland and barren in comparison.
Heck, I wore down into the ground 3 tape decks in 26 years, most of it for the benefit of friends who didn't have my LP collection, but just happened to have three brand new reels of tape at hand.
And if anyone thinks it's easy to wear down a German open reel tape deck, think again, bub. In return, I have LPs purchased in say 1971 which are in a really great condition to this day. And my humble Dual CS604 TT ain't going anywhere in my lifetime.No, I haven't. Should I?
When our fates align, we’ll meet at a taverna or at home. Till then this virtual bub and e-mail will serve us.
We must, as right now we don't have a choice.
[qute]Then, update your profile and stop cheating
George[/QUOTE]
Eh? How am I cheating? I was born on 23 May 1953, a good year for wine, especially in Troy, when the Swiss watchmaker Tissot celebrated 100 years of operation, and of course, when I was born.
May to February is 9 months, right? Even in England, right Nige?
So, in February 1964 I was 10 years and 9 months old. Any intermodulation there? How is my voltage slew rate off?
Yes, there's that one as well.
Also Al Stewart's "Year Of The Cat", but i think that was later on.
Incredible String Band's LP with the song "Air", circa 1973. I think it was called "The Liquid Acrobat As Regards The Air", or some such.
Eric Burdon and The Animals "Greatest Hits", a mystery then, a mystery today. It's an MGM release, but I have never seen it in ANY catalog ever, even if it does have its ID number; I bought it in London, in person. However, there is a very good CD re-issue, which I also own, of course.
And the entire Cat Stevens repertoire, the lot, LP by LP.
The mater tape being badly stored and face to face transfer of magnetic information. Cut though on the lathe ( most likely). Stylus under biased or stylus shape (unlikely ).
Here is another recording i like much :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tormé_(album)
It´s from 1958.
It is not a squeaky clean as the Belefonte, there is some tape hiss.
But what is exceptional ist the " tone " of the brass.
Trumpet, stuffed trumpet, various types of Saxophones ( Alto, Tenor ), brass goups.
It is so plainly clear what instruments that are, it´s scary.
Torme`s voice is floating over it on a cushion of air, the Velvet Foog.
I have the Verve remaster from 1989 on CD.
I do not think they had 24Bit A/D converters at that time but they made a great job nevertheless.
I am really woundering why i prefer the sound of older recordings often over newer jobs, like Diana Krall for example ( super clean and dynamic ).
Maybe they recorded more in " one piece ", kind of life in the studio.
It´s from 1958.
It is not a squeaky clean as the Belefonte, there is some tape hiss.
But what is exceptional ist the " tone " of the brass.
Trumpet, stuffed trumpet, various types of Saxophones ( Alto, Tenor ), brass goups.
It is so plainly clear what instruments that are, it´s scary.
Torme`s voice is floating over it on a cushion of air, the Velvet Foog.
I have the Verve remaster from 1989 on CD.
I do not think they had 24Bit A/D converters at that time but they made a great job nevertheless.
I am really woundering why i prefer the sound of older recordings often over newer jobs, like Diana Krall for example ( super clean and dynamic ).
Maybe they recorded more in " one piece ", kind of life in the studio.
All this talk of album vs CD always makes me think of one particular piece of music, Dave Brubeck's "Time Out". I have owned the vinyl since forever (OK, I probably bought it in about 1972). Then in the 1980's I was working in an audio shop, back when CD's were new and record stores didn't have much selection, so we sold quite a few. I remember when "Time Out" arrived on CD. Thinking it would be a good demo I opened one and played it. There was a horrible slap-echo on Joe Morello's drums, like he was 20 feet in front of a concrete wall. Eugene Wright's bass sounded like the woofers were blown, horribly distorted. The piano was harsh and jangly, and Paul Desmond's sax was lost somewhere under water. It was the worst-sounding recording I ever heard.
I own a more recent copy of the CD, and it is excellent. None of those artifacts are present, and it is just as good as the vinyl. The point is that all of those distortions on that first CD release were analog in nature, they had nothing to do with the digital medium. I can't even conceive how they got such bad playback, but some of it sounded like a big hunk of dirt on the playback head of the machine used to play the old analog tape. Imagine if someone heard that as their first CD, or even worse their first hearing of that wonderful music?
I own a more recent copy of the CD, and it is excellent. None of those artifacts are present, and it is just as good as the vinyl. The point is that all of those distortions on that first CD release were analog in nature, they had nothing to do with the digital medium. I can't even conceive how they got such bad playback, but some of it sounded like a big hunk of dirt on the playback head of the machine used to play the old analog tape. Imagine if someone heard that as their first CD, or even worse their first hearing of that wonderful music?
This 1988 reissue of 1961 recording of Billy Cotton radio show is the best audio recording I ever heard, and I have some Sheffield direct cuts, Opus 3 etc.
The same LP is used by SME owner Mr. Alister to show quality of his products.
No modern recordings can compare with it. This LP was issued by C5 budget label of See For Miles record.
The same LP is used by SME owner Mr. Alister to show quality of his products.
No modern recordings can compare with it. This LP was issued by C5 budget label of See For Miles record.
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