Hello supra,
that sounds good
i think that's best performance too.Can you give us a little more informations?
1. Which USB to I2S board or SD transport do you use?
2. can we see pictures
3. can you play 196 kHz flac's?
Thank's for any detail...
Regards
Well Ive got a FIFO/Iso/Si570clock/ESS 9018 as well, it and the 1541 have transconductance outputs, so the comparism is fair.
They are different, but also very similar, they have that 3D effect - good imaging and soundstaging, that low jitter dacs do so well. The 1541 is maybe a bit darker, maybe the bass has a touch of bloom, but they are both excellent dacs, and I couldn't say one is better than the other.
The 1541 in sim mode certainly sounds different from the traditional 1541 sound, its got way more resolution, maybe from the extended freq response?
Hello supra,
that sounds good
Can you give us a little more informations?
1. Which USB to I2S board or SD transport do you use?
2. can we see pictures
3. can you play 196 kHz flac's?
Thank's for any detail...
Regards
I used an Amanero, also have an EXA U2I, but haven't tried it yet.
Yes it plays 192Khz, haven't tried 384 yet, but I have so few 384 files it doesn't matter to me.
Cant figure out how to post pix here- you can see pix on my blog
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Cheers for that..
Extended frequency response, flat to nearly 20kHz according to Rogics data. Although that might be for 192k, at least you can do that (and more).
Theoretical jitter arguments support as well as the increased frequency of the NONOS 'image' associated with the increase in Fs.
Something thats occurred to me recently is that with these sort of builds where the PC outputs 32bit to a 32bit capable interface, with a 16-24bit file being played back, there are between 8-16 bits that are added to the data file and held at zero, which can (could) be used for attenuation purposes (6dB per bit) without resolution loss.
Good fun..
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Are we doing all those efforts & money to have something close tothe ES9018 ?I don't hope so ? What is your output config with the TDA1541 ?
And to compare or try to understand the ES9018 one ?
High efficienty speakers ? two ways speakers ? classic midle effcienty 3 ways speakers ?
Your post sounded like an electrochoc to me ! If electrochoc must occur... i will go with the Tubes stage of Shane (aka Shane Lando
) or Andrea ! My motivation with the TDA1541 was to have the good bass of MultibitDAC with the little colored sound I like in the midle-highs (strings, etc...) ! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ! Please not the ES9018 clinical sound or I sell everything, go to the Forest Moon with an IPOD and a two cents headphones on a Palm tree !
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I just don't understand this phrase from the Supratek website :
["]Ian is quite prolific, and a little later he brought out a device to enable hi-res to be used with the older style ladder dacs, which are usually restricted to 16 bit and 96 KHz. With his device the old 1541 and PCM1704 dac chips can be used at 24 bit and 384Khz, quite amazing "
As far I can understand : PCM1704 is already 24 bits as the TDA1541 is not limited to 96 Khz ! Does the Ian's devices allow the TDA 1541 to jump to 24 bits ?!
Are the daats upsampled on the fly by the FIFO or any else Ian's device? At least the PCM boards is 192 khz max ?
Saved from the exil : "Absolutely the best way to listen to 44.1Khz and up to 96Khz , above that I think it maybe gets a little less convincing and if you are going to listen to the very best recording technology , then the 9018 is probably technically better, and maybe subjectively better at the higher resolutions. Personally I prefer this super version of the 1541, it may not be as technically proficient as the 9018, but it sure sounds wonderful, especially with Windows Server 2012 and AO"
Are the Windows server code so different than W8 for that or did you sucess because more versatile config in it : like kill some process or allow processors cores to some unique job/task ?
My wife saved all the TDA and ESS chips (xxx23) from the mixer boll.... while I was ressurecting my Rega Planar 3 which was between a Bible and the "Theory of Evolution" Darwin book
["]Ian is quite prolific, and a little later he brought out a device to enable hi-res to be used with the older style ladder dacs, which are usually restricted to 16 bit and 96 KHz. With his device the old 1541 and PCM1704 dac chips can be used at 24 bit and 384Khz, quite amazing "
As far I can understand : PCM1704 is already 24 bits as the TDA1541 is not limited to 96 Khz ! Does the Ian's devices allow the TDA 1541 to jump to 24 bits ?!
Are the daats upsampled on the fly by the FIFO or any else Ian's device? At least the PCM boards is 192 khz max ?
Saved from the exil : "Absolutely the best way to listen to 44.1Khz and up to 96Khz , above that I think it maybe gets a little less convincing and if you are going to listen to the very best recording technology , then the 9018 is probably technically better, and maybe subjectively better at the higher resolutions. Personally I prefer this super version of the 1541, it may not be as technically proficient as the 9018, but it sure sounds wonderful, especially with Windows Server 2012 and AO"
Are the Windows server code so different than W8 for that or did you sucess because more versatile config in it : like kill some process or allow processors cores to some unique job/task ?
My wife saved all the TDA and ESS chips (xxx23) from the mixer boll.... while I was ressurecting my Rega Planar 3 which was between a Bible and the "Theory of Evolution" Darwin book
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I don't hope so ? What is your output config with the TDA1541 ?
And to compare or try to understand the ES9018 one ?
High efficienty speakers ? two ways speakers ? classic midle effcienty 3 ways speakers ?
Your post sounded like an electrochoc to me ! If electrochoc must occur... i will go with the Tubes stage of Shane (aka Shane Lando
A lot of questions. With respect you need to get started building rather than looking at forums and believing everything you hear.
You've never heard a good 9018 if you think they are clinical sounding, and if you want a warm "romantic" sounding 1541 than just build an old style 1541 with resistor I/V and slow tube stage. You don't need the sophisticated things we are talking about here.
I have many speakers, quite a few systems and have been doing this for 40 years. You choose what you like, but you have to build to find what you want, or find someone that has exactly what you want.
Hey... good CV ! Wow... 40 years... I just begann slowly 30 years ago ! So I need to construct something ? Thanks, good advice ! Do you know a good DIY website where I could not believe everything I "read" (hope my ears are good enough as still youngs"...) with not too much complicate things or devices I'm trying to understand for beginers like me ? So tubes are romantics ?! Thought the good ones where clear with just good soundstage and no listening fatigue.... Need to read more website as the good one cotted above and don't believe all what I read !
Or Maybe a good ES9018 or TDA1541 off the selves
. Is there any good TDA-1541 kit ?.... with respect of course !
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Hello,
for the TDA1541 in simultaneous mode and work with 48, 96, ...192khz and Ian setting:
FIFO module > Isolator Module > clock board > I2S to PCM Module > TDA1541A
Is the Dual XO 45.xx and 49.xx clock Board or Si570 Clock board better?
regards
I can't really say which clock is better, the Si570 was designed for the 9018 afaik
and the double clock for both 9018 and the PCM-I2S board.
I did try the Si570 with the 1541 but didn't think it was " better" . I think theyre both very good , as is the whole Ian package.
Best digital I've heard.
So I need to construct something ? Thanks, good advice ! Do you know a good DIY website where I could not believe everything I "read" (hope my ears are good enough as still youngs"...) with not too much complicate things or devices I'm trying to understand for beginers like me ? So tubes are romantics ?! Thought the good ones where clear with just good soundstage and no listening fatigue.... Need to read more website as the good one cotted above and don't believe all what I read !
Or Maybe a good ES9018 or TDA1541 off the selves
Edlam,
Of course good tube designs are not romantic, I love tubes and always have a tube in system. Like Rodjic I don't think tubes are best output for 1541, prefer transconductance devices with no feedback, but that's just me , you might prefer tubes. But some people like the sound of a slow tube design, especially with 1541, it's very colored and romantic but the romance doesn't usually last.
Everyone has some bias, I don't believe anything I read, have deep respect for some guys, but only believe what I hear, you have to build to really know what something is like, and then it still only applies to what you hear yourself, Fred up the road will hear something completely different.
Good 1541 kit? The Aya2014 will probably be best you can get, but you might be to late for that. Amanero/FIFO/double clock/PCM-i2s/Aya2014 will be as good as you will get, but you might need to experience a conventional 1541 with tube stage first to really appreciate it.
Thanks Supra,
We had maybe to try to do a kit by ourselves
The guy which had the idea to ask to a brand like Audial to go for a old " good enough" design with a GB for modest diyers with a low price should be a nice guy !
And the one who ask to Monsieur Rogic could be respectivly a gentleman like him ! Surely music lovers I surmise.
Of course as reality is a moving concept and reproduction even more, we must believe our subjective own ears and experience as it's cultural also (in the sense of: experience). My pleasure is here to understand also before going to compulsive work. Like you did : more a good Lego... but solid-state for me... I mean the last tube I used was in Paris... you right very slow ! An other motivation is to allow people in a same state as I am to understand "complicate things & design" as you said. With the possibility to them for choosing in relation to the money they have or the trade offs they want in relation to the rest of their system... you know maybe because they can not go for too much devices and try everything !
But as I said this is subjective ! Look at some EL34 with subjective fastness. I surmise Shane (aka Ceglar) as Andrea Mori to go with very good outputstage.
Ah the frenchys...they like the snails as you know ! or stories with turtles and rabbits !
Thanks for your testimonie, as said the OP, this Ian maid a SOTA design, maybe not for all, but a SOTA work. At least I can't construct anything as I'm waiting from him a PCM borad (2 months... a short period instead the 30 or 40 years...)... hope to have it soon... if he want... you know the canadians... they like the sirup and the snow...but maybe here this is a hasard... well where is my palm tree !
cheers
We had maybe to try to do a kit by ourselves
The guy which had the idea to ask to a brand like Audial to go for a old " good enough" design with a GB for modest diyers with a low price should be a nice guy !
And the one who ask to Monsieur Rogic could be respectivly a gentleman like him ! Surely music lovers I surmise.
Of course as reality is a moving concept and reproduction even more, we must believe our subjective own ears and experience as it's cultural also (in the sense of: experience). My pleasure is here to understand also before going to compulsive work. Like you did : more a good Lego... but solid-state for me... I mean the last tube I used was in Paris... you right very slow ! An other motivation is to allow people in a same state as I am to understand "complicate things & design" as you said. With the possibility to them for choosing in relation to the money they have or the trade offs they want in relation to the rest of their system... you know maybe because they can not go for too much devices and try everything !
But as I said this is subjective ! Look at some EL34 with subjective fastness. I surmise Shane (aka Ceglar) as Andrea Mori to go with very good outputstage.
Ah the frenchys...they like the snails as you know ! or stories with turtles and rabbits !
Thanks for your testimonie, as said the OP, this Ian maid a SOTA design, maybe not for all, but a SOTA work. At least I can't construct anything as I'm waiting from him a PCM borad (2 months... a short period instead the 30 or 40 years...)... hope to have it soon... if he want... you know the canadians... they like the sirup and the snow...but maybe here this is a hasard... well where is my palm tree !
cheers
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@ AUdiolapdance and simultanous mode sourcers for the TDA1541
I had a kind answer from Lyuben of JLSounds this morning who take time to answer me during him off days (summer holiday here in Europe). They will try with Joro to think about an alternative for the TDA1541 with their all in one USB to PCM board. But this is with no guaranty as they need a FLPG for that and a sever redesign: they should try maybe an alternative.
So for the moment JLsounds is only compatible with al the BB and AD multidacs for PCM but not for the TDA1541 yet !
It could be intreresting if they can, because they also launch a nice MCLK daughter clock board with emplty trace for the 2 crystals : compatibe with little NDKs or bigger Crysteq e.g. !
To be continue.... Can't finish my device without a PCM board, and I would like to try with both Ian's board & JLSounds lab board ! : Not Fully Operational Battle Station | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim - YouTube
I had a kind answer from Lyuben of JLSounds this morning who take time to answer me during him off days (summer holiday here in Europe). They will try with Joro to think about an alternative for the TDA1541 with their all in one USB to PCM board. But this is with no guaranty as they need a FLPG for that and a sever redesign: they should try maybe an alternative.
So for the moment JLsounds is only compatible with al the BB and AD multidacs for PCM but not for the TDA1541 yet !
It could be intreresting if they can, because they also launch a nice MCLK daughter clock board with emplty trace for the 2 crystals : compatibe with little NDKs or bigger Crysteq e.g. !
To be continue.... Can't finish my device without a PCM board, and I would like to try with both Ian's board & JLSounds lab board ! : Not Fully Operational Battle Station | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim - YouTube
No, 2 different philosophies :
Ian's board is just a stone in the middle of the others in the Ian's devices list. Sota design but wire everywhere : one meter between the pc and the dac if you put all him devices before it !
JLsounds could allow for not rich diyer like me to have a all in one board : direct USB to PCM for 77 euros ! little distance, less EMD maybe: easier to shield because littlier ?
Just guess, would like to try both as I have two project on my deck : the AYA2014 and the Distinction-1541 board ! Believe Pedja comes back now in september because of a little problem of NDK chips aviability for us. It's easy for him to replace it as he is a SOTA designer but it will take more time and it's summertime... we can't forget it...
Ian's board is just a stone in the middle of the others in the Ian's devices list. Sota design but wire everywhere : one meter between the pc and the dac if you put all him devices before it !
JLsounds could allow for not rich diyer like me to have a all in one board : direct USB to PCM for 77 euros ! little distance, less EMD maybe: easier to shield because littlier ?
Just guess, would like to try both as I have two project on my deck : the AYA2014 and the Distinction-1541 board ! Believe Pedja comes back now in september because of a little problem of NDK chips aviability for us. It's easy for him to replace it as he is a SOTA designer but it will take more time and it's summertime... we can't forget it...
Hi Luke,
I'm not saying the opposite !
If you read me I'm not putting the two devices step by step... but with little efforts the JLSounds could gain a great improvement : some more GND pin for the return path near each signal cables and they already went (to be launched in few days) for a daughter MCLK boards if you want even better crystals than the two embeded FOX (which are not bad but maybe a little under the NDK and Cryteq). And become an easier alternative : less wires & an embeded solution for our TDA-1541 projects. The JLsounds has also an isolated input for SPIDF like the Wave I/O !
From the beginning my wish is to go for a collective work around this TDA-1541 project and this is my wisch to help the people like me to provide easier choices in this particular thread as I'm not able to understand complicate tehnical issues... this is my humble stone with the one I done with some fellows to drive with some others fellows the "anygood TDA-1541 kit" to a better end than the simple choices : bad Ebay Kits or expensive off the shelves devices with a "good enough" sounding alternative. As you know already we had even two alternatives because it's just not always about money (thanks Pedja, thanks Ryan).
This is what I do here. At least I asked several time to Ian and had no answers. Oh I'm lying, I've got just an answer he will consider an answer by looking at him PCM board thread.
Today I just don't know where I am with the next shippements dates (I put my name the 22 of June in the waiting list for a PCM board).
But because this is collective, I hope everybody could be satisfyed with the money they have ! Hope I don't shake some suceptibilities...
I have a dream tonight : I were at the top of a coconuts tree but the coconuts were red wine bottles instead coconuts... I had to go down to check the tree while trying to catch the best bottle I can... in a simutanous mode !
I'm not saying the opposite !
If you read me I'm not putting the two devices step by step... but with little efforts the JLSounds could gain a great improvement : some more GND pin for the return path near each signal cables and they already went (to be launched in few days) for a daughter MCLK boards if you want even better crystals than the two embeded FOX (which are not bad but maybe a little under the NDK and Cryteq). And become an easier alternative : less wires & an embeded solution for our TDA-1541 projects. The JLsounds has also an isolated input for SPIDF like the Wave I/O !
From the beginning my wish is to go for a collective work around this TDA-1541 project and this is my wisch to help the people like me to provide easier choices in this particular thread as I'm not able to understand complicate tehnical issues... this is my humble stone with the one I done with some fellows to drive with some others fellows the "anygood TDA-1541 kit" to a better end than the simple choices : bad Ebay Kits or expensive off the shelves devices with a "good enough" sounding alternative. As you know already we had even two alternatives because it's just not always about money (thanks Pedja, thanks Ryan).
This is what I do here. At least I asked several time to Ian and had no answers. Oh I'm lying, I've got just an answer he will consider an answer
by looking at him PCM board thread.Today I just don't know where I am with the next shippements dates (I put my name the 22 of June in the waiting list for a PCM board).
But because this is collective, I hope everybody could be satisfyed with the money they have ! Hope I don't shake some suceptibilities...
I have a dream tonight : I were at the top of a coconuts tree but the coconuts were red wine bottles instead coconuts... I had to go down to check the tree while trying to catch the best bottle I can... in a simutanous mode !
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