John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part II

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You've clearly not read what I wrote or tried to explain.

You've adopted a position and seem hell bent on scoring points or whatever.

Thankfully I can just dial out of this.

kinda like equipment for music ...:D

I'm saying that metaphysically if he's got 110Hz with 165Hz he's got 55Hz.
As would you or I. Did you read the article ? There's way more than imagination involved ......

Err, No , maybe you and franky, 55hz missing i would be the first to tell you so, every system i ever had in my entire adult life(EV-30inch woofers in the 70's) had a 3db down point of at least 30hz , lack of bass fundamentals is very obvious to me..

I dont have that level of imagination ... :rofl:
 
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Ginetto61, I understand your frustration.
If you really want to know about the Blowtorch, then reading the first 100 pages of Part 1 is best.
Now, this is an attempt for a hi tech, hi end forum, but it is diluted by people who don't believe that hi end is real, and that mid-fi is totally adequate, and people who just like to take a poke at me. This can lead to spirited discussion, but usually just dilution and confusion, obscuring anything that I might be able to offer that might improve someone's electronics.
Of course, at first, there was the challenge to get me to release the schematics and to help others to make their own Blowtorch.
But now that is over, and we do share a few interesting ideas fairly often, but you have to be interested in a number of topics to make it a useful use of time to read.

Hello and Thank you very much indeed Mr Curl for your kind reply :)
Actually i tried from time to time to follow the discussion but i got completely lost especially for my poor knowledge. So i have to blame myself mostly.
I will follow your advice immediately
Thanks again and kind regards, gino
 
Process control is everything . . .
Other manu's disagree with you, as dvv stated. Especially if the process, even under control, produces devices with a parametric spread that covers several device categories.

Ah, the quote that started it all:

I have been told by an engineer from Siemens, in a private conversation, that this is the way they select transistors. They basically make one damn big batch, then select them, so some are sold as BC 546B (65V), BC 550B (45V, but low noise), etc. How else could they make them so dirt cheap?

Your argument is not with me, apparently you should be arguing with the engineer from Seimens.. Perhaps explain process control to them..

You've introduced axial devices. Most discrete volumes today are in SMD.
So, rending the statement invalid? not quite.

11 million diodes a day is 3.5 billion a year. The industry ships a trillion devices a year currently
Again, proof by numbers?? And, my number is from 20 years ago..
You've adopted a position and seem hell bent on scoring points or whatever.
Actually, it was dvv who pointed out a position of a seimens engineer..you are hell bent on denying that..

Thankfully I can just dial out of this.

Go for it..

jn
 
-The 170dc weighs 30lb total. A decent 600/625VA toroidal clocks in at 10/11lb, an equivalent size EI weighs a whole lot more than that.
-a clear indication for VA rating is the core size, a 600VA EI requires a decent size.
-fuse amp rating is an indication, not absolution.

There are various freebee download tutorials on how to design laminated transformers, which include picking a core size and weight estimates.
(learn how to build yachts/ships, and it comes as a gratuity. Oh Dear, that's engineering)

Right - so?

What are you saying?

All I said was that the main protection fuse before the transformer is listed as 3.16 A for voltages of 220-240 VAC. Purely mathematically, that would mean the transformer should safely handle a bit below (220 x 3.16) 695.2 VA. Is this wrong?

Knowing factories are sometimes a bit liberal with all this, I reduced this to a useable figure of 600 VA. Feel free to further reduce this to say 500 VA. That's still a hell of a lot more than is usually found in modern amps of that power.

The amp weighs in at EXACTLY 16.2 kilos, which is some 36.7 lbs. Remember, those were the days of a zillion versions of the same model, one for each specific market almost. The above figure is for my own (European) version on my own scales.

Inside, there is nothing else but a rather big transformer, two decent sized heat sinks and the two meters, plus two larger and two smaller PCBs. Since the case is made of commercial thickness pressed steel, where do you think all that weight comes from?

Now it weighs a bit more because I have bigger caps, two instead of one, but I never bothered to measure it after their installation.

So - what's your point?

 
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Ah, the quote that started it all:

Your argument is not with me, apparently you should be arguing with the engineer from Seimens.. Perhaps explain process control to them..

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And, as you may have noticed, I am not arguing with anybody. I simply stated a fact, strictly limited to me and me alone, which was fortunately for me picked up by people who know much more than I do, so I had a chance to learn something.

Any discussion and/or disagreement you may have is not with me.

As for Siemens, all I can say is that I will gladly continue to buy their semicondutors as I have done for the last 35 years or so, as I find them to be very reliable.
 
And, as you may have noticed, I am not arguing with anybody. I simply stated a fact, strictly limited to me and me alone, which was fortunately for me picked up by people who know much more than I do, so I had a chance to learn something.

Any discussion and/or disagreement you may have is not with me.

Certainly no disagreement with you. You stated a fact, pure and simple. And it mirrored exactly my experiences
As for Siemens, all I can say is that I will gladly continue to buy their semicondutors as I have done for the last 35 years or so, as I find them to be very reliable.
As do I. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Bonsai: I realized our disconnect as I was jogging...

My experience is primarily military. My customers cannot afford to pay for all the devices to be packaged hermetically in an expensive ceramic package, and then tested to determine if the chip passes critical parameters across the guaranteed temperature range. Wafer level testing is a huge expense, and the commercial sector cannot afford that. Unfortunately, a military hybrid which contains 4 to 10 mil spec chips inside cannot afford to be populated with chips which may not meet the full temp range.

In addition, many of the parts I've tested over the years were bleeding edge, where the process is never fully developed and yet the military wanted them. Mature products do not suffer such issues as the learning curve has been passed. I remember the days of the first silicon on sapphire fets, 12 bit ADC chips..and the first 6 inch wafer of 1N4148's.

edit: Now of course, my needs are no longer as loose as milspec. Use and operation in cryogens and radiation carries additional "problems".
jn
 
On semiconductor reliability, what exactly do you guys refer to? I have BC5x0C and BC3x7C from both Fairchild and OnSemi that are matched to less than 1mV out of the box.

I also have a big question. There are companies like KEC and UTC that make their own transistor versions; some of these companies make good parts and others don't. I know H/K uses/used KEC. It would be nice to know which of these companies were reliable in producing decent parts.
 
On semiconductor reliability, what exactly do you guys refer to? I have BC5x0C and BC3x7C from both Fairchild and OnSemi that are matched to less than 1mV out of the box.

That's a parameter. Reliability is the ability to perform as per design without failure in the long run.

Please gentlemen, wafers are metric. 450mm on the way!

Does size matter? Understanding Wafer Size

Reminding me of one of our funniest layout stories involving a layout engineer who thought rounding the conversion to 2.5 would make his job easier until we changed one layer on an old part.


So what was the matter, couldn't the engineer just stretch the rubylith??

Sigh.. I hate metric...:mad:

I don't care how may billions of people use it..;)

Whoa. 450mm. So, the expanded wafer prior to pick and place, what, living room size??

And waffle packs the size of....waffles??

Did you make use of that resistor?


jn
 
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Funny, Scott!

In the 80's I made/sold semi ATE, a lot of which went to the soviet world. They had copied many western chips (uA741, DTL, TTL etc) which meant our test progs and jigs were a drop-in.

However, some commissar had decided that 0.1" pitch was just too bourgeois, so they standardized on 2.5mm.

An 8 leg 2.5 DIP would fit into a standard ZIF socket, just. But a 28pin ....?

Great problems and egg on faces everywhere!
 
Frank, I don't think I'm hung up on monickers and price tags, but honestly, you sound like comparing Nissan Micra with a Ferrari and stating that this is near enough a comparison.

I am sure you can extract the most from your Micra, but no matter how much you put the pedal to the metal, you just can't keep up with the Ferrari. No matter how much hard faith you put into it.

Someone I know crashed a 450bhp 2 litre turbo micra at 170 mph on the straight at knockhill racetrack in scotland...
 
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