No, it wasn't ignored, quite the contrary. It was shown that the measurements weren't yours and that you had no idea of what they were, how they were taken, or what they meant. But hey, look, squiggly lines with a hand-drawn circle! Proof!
You need more practice at this scam thing before you're skilled at it.
Nice story. I know of such people, and then I know of people who manage to maintain both scientific attitude and devout religious beliefs.
Claiming that Bybee's claims are false require scientific proof.
Where are the references to such studies?
Saying that there is scientific proof without giving reference to such scientific proof is fraudulent saying.
Myth Busters
Why do these Bybees keep popping up here? Do they contain nano tubes??
It sounds as fantastic as breeding out dino eggs in the 21th century. Hire an old professor, set up a nice looking lab, print a fancy scientific article about it.
Shall we submit the Bybees to the Myth Buster team at Discovery Channel?
Why do these Bybees keep popping up here? Do they contain nano tubes??
It sounds as fantastic as breeding out dino eggs in the 21th century. Hire an old professor, set up a nice looking lab, print a fancy scientific article about it.
Shall we submit the Bybees to the Myth Buster team at Discovery Channel?
Indeed.
Which is why I asked for references. It is vital to know what was measured, how it was measured, and WHAT WAS NOT MEASURED.
Possibly a 'proof' was given by avoiding certain measurements, for instance, noise level with and without the DUT.
Joshua,
If you have really been reading this thread all along you would know that Scott Wurcer has made many statements why these claims are impossible. If you do not believe him and JN's statements, and they are true brains here on this thread then you will not believe any real evidence that the claims themselves are false and impossible. You are one of the true believers if that is so, you do not require real evidence, you just want to believe in supernatural powers.
ps. If as John has just stated that any measurable results are so low into the noise floor that he has not had any equipment that can measure the effect do you really believe that the effect would be so clear to those who want to believe that the device makes any real difference? If so just keep on believing in this snake oil and add some Bybee devices to your system. That is your privilege. Don't forget that John has not paid for any of these devices himself, and he does not include them in his designs. There is some form of monetary payoff for John in this somehow, I do not believe he is that stupid, perhaps just gullible or has lost his faculty of common sense.
If you have really been reading this thread all along you would know that Scott Wurcer has made many statements why these claims are impossible. If you do not believe him and JN's statements, and they are true brains here on this thread then you will not believe any real evidence that the claims themselves are false and impossible. You are one of the true believers if that is so, you do not require real evidence, you just want to believe in supernatural powers.
ps. If as John has just stated that any measurable results are so low into the noise floor that he has not had any equipment that can measure the effect do you really believe that the effect would be so clear to those who want to believe that the device makes any real difference? If so just keep on believing in this snake oil and add some Bybee devices to your system. That is your privilege. Don't forget that John has not paid for any of these devices himself, and he does not include them in his designs. There is some form of monetary payoff for John in this somehow, I do not believe he is that stupid, perhaps just gullible or has lost his faculty of common sense.
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John uses it as an attention-getting device.
Myth was already busted. I even got some unintended coverage by one of the electronics engineering publications.
No! As the Bybee claims appear to violate established science, the burden of proof lies with the Bybee fans. They must provide scientific proof, or at least a plausible explanation. All we have so far is anecdote, random hand-waving, and an apparent admission that the adverts deliberately tell the wrong story in order to prevent copies.Joshua_G said:
I didn't read each and every post on this thread.
Neither statements nor claims are scientific proof.
I neither believe nor disbelieve any statement as such.
Statements aren't scientific proof.
I'm not impressed by people who are considered by some others to be 'true brains'.
I'm impressed by those people who designed and produced exceptionally good sounding audio gear.
Making a claim that something is impossible isn't a scientific proof. It may well be only lack of understanding of certain aspects.
As for Bybee devices, I'm neither a believer nor an heretic. I have no idea about the truth of the matter here. All I can see are the flaws in the claims of those who proclaim Bybee's devices to be fraud.
I just see the blindness of the 'technocrats'.
There are things which I know for a fact to work, to have a real impact on the sound, while those things are proclaimed to be 'snake oil' and/or 'fraud' by the majority of participants here. Therefore I'm not impressed by various heretic claims.
I take a firm stand, on any issue, by one of the two:
1. Empirical evidence by my own experience;
2. Real scientific evidence.
Various statements and claims are neither.
Nobody owes nothing to anybody else (in this respect, on this issue).
Jack Bybee made some claims.
Those claims seem to defeat what some other people know.
Neither the claims of Jack Bybee nor the claims of his opponents are a scientific proof, nor are they scientific disproof. They are only claims.
A man of integrity would say something like "I cannot see how Bybee's devices can do what they are claimed to do". However proclaiming something to be a fraud, based only on lack of understanding of the way it works – such a proclaim is itself a fraudulent one.
The hand waving I see here come mainly from Bybee's opponents.
Shouting "it is fraud" to the end of times is no substitute to a scientific proof.
That some people here are so heavily invested, emotionally, speaks only of inner makeup of their personalities. Possibly their belief system is shaken up.
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Try this, it truly is relevant in this farce.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes
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