I did not need a blind test was my reaction, since it was not very hard to hear. Sure, the difference is not big and some will probably not hear the difference, but with a little attention and training it is not hard. I also think you need vg equipment to hear it, I use a Meitner MA 1 dac and good amplifiers and speakers able to reveal this.
No, blind test is ALWAYS needed. Make it first and come back with results. It will cost you and a friend of yours just a bit of your time.
Please watch this video and give your comment about it:
Try The McGurk Effect! - Horizon: Is Seeing Believing? - BBC Two - YouTube
And this:
The McGurk effect - YouTube
These differences are also very easy to hear.
What are your thoughts?
No. You do not. Please trust me.
I don't know how many attempts I've used to try to help you, but not once have you replied to any of my requests. You could please do it, just once?
It has EVERYTHING to do with this. Had you just watched the video and commented it, I could've helped you understand if you couldn't see the connection.
Had you just watched the video you would have realized that it does not matter what you want, your brain will hear what it wants to hear whether you like it or not. Your will-power has nothing to do with it.
The video does not claim it. The video is there for you to experiment and experience it. I cannot stress enough how much you are in need of that.
I hate that it has to come down to this, but it honestly feels like there is a force/spell that actively keeps you from actually opening your eyes to see the truth. Not because you feel like you hear a difference (that is normal), but because you actively refuse to answer to the problems in your claims or any other help that is being provided to you.
Please understand that I only do this because of the fact that if you hear differences between cables that have no differences, and it makes you spend money on nothing, what does it then say about your purchase of Meitler DA-1 and/or any other equipment that probably cost a lot more than they are worth?
Again, please watch the videos and comment.
to reiterate what Sy said, to change the analogue output as you claim, would require active manipulation of the digital signal, which requires a DSP or a demon, unless it is noise that is the issue. if it is noise then this can easily be measured and you then have a metric for debate/claims that certain USB cables are bad, but you cannot define what is happening by ears alone.
I also see the subjective crowd going on about whether people who use measurements listen to music, of course we do, and surprisingly we use listening tests to listen to our gear and designs, the difference being we also empirical data and measurements to tell us what is going on. Its called engineering.
On a system where every possible measure has been taken to eliminate the effects of cables, ports, operating system, players soft... they all are still audible. Very annoying. As the direct "digital signal path" is immune by virtue of isolation and reclocking, only secondary and tertiary effects appear possible, such as radiation and common mode noise through the mains.
Something seems lacking in our understanding of what exactly is going on.
Something seems lacking in our understanding of what exactly is going on.
In this case, you cannot take any measures to eliminate the effects of the USB-cable, because there is no such effect. Unless the cable works as an antenna and makes the DAC a radio. Which it doesn't.
That is the truth..
And those that hide behind the old and so called proven knowledge and constantly "corrects" and "disciplines" all those that experience that the "old" and "proven" knowledge are unable to reveal the truth are the real problem.
No, it is the inability or refusal to accept that one's brain interprets what one hears.
The only way to screen out this process is by unbiased testing, accepted in every other discipline.
This is amusing, I must be a complete idiot then. I wonder how I managed that Engineering degree.....not to talk about my music degree as a pianist.
To clear things up a little: I am not here to claim I am right, if I am wrong so be it. I will try more testing and blind listening too if that makes you happier.
But some say that blind listening tests are not 100% accurate...to many things can go wrong. I will try to be open and be back later with my results, and I will be honest about it. I will not post until then.
To clear things up a little: I am not here to claim I am right, if I am wrong so be it. I will try more testing and blind listening too if that makes you happier.
But some say that blind listening tests are not 100% accurate...to many things can go wrong. I will try to be open and be back later with my results, and I will be honest about it. I will not post until then
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They can be accurate or inaccurate, done well or poorly, just like any other experiment. But they're necessary to establish claims of audibility, so you ought to try to do them correctly.
I gave an overview and some examples of basic double-blind listening test methods (and results) in Linear Audio, vol 2, which might be helpful to you in setting up a good blind test.
This is the standard 'high-end' excuse: ordinary mortals won't hear it because their ears/system etc. are not good enough.Starre said:
I have a standard reply: ordinary mortals won't hear it because their equipment is probably well-engineered so is not fussy about cables. Only very cheap and very expensive equipment is cable-sensitive.
Please reveal your documentation and evidence that proves that your statements are to be trusted?
Why don't you just comment on the video?
What is the point in mentioning your engineering or music degrees if you never ever use whatever it is that you have learnt to explain your thought process?
In every single post you completely ignore what has been said and go on to a different topic.
You are here to claim that you can hear a difference between two USB-cables. And we're here to explain to you that while you CAN hear a difference between these two cables, the difference is not in the cables.
That you accidentally stick your tongue in the outlet because of the blind-fold?
As an engineer, could you, instead of saying "some say that", explain to us what your problem with blind listening tests might be?
Please be open by watching the videos and commenting on how you feel about the effect?I will try to be open and be back later with my results, and I will be honest about it. I will not post until then
Some of you are most certainly chasing ghosts. Anyone who has been educated in digital tech, will say that if the sound changes, there must be a mechanism that changes the digital content - meaning the bits have changed.
Digital audio follows one of several defined word formats,- if bits are changed, the receiver looses sync and probably mutes - either shortly or permanently. Alas - the cable is faulty - get a good one - meaning get an electrically sound cable a few tens of $ will probably be OK.
This thread has exactly the same logical signature as another recent one dealing with RG59 type coax for SPDIF. At work we use short lengths of RG59 at 2$ or less pr. meter, at frequencies up around 2 GHz with no lost bits, and from highly reputable manufacturers like Huiber-Suhner, Belden, Amphenol etc and of course quality BNC connectors.
2000$ for a better sounding RG59???? Insanity at best.......
Digital audio follows one of several defined word formats,- if bits are changed, the receiver looses sync and probably mutes - either shortly or permanently. Alas - the cable is faulty - get a good one - meaning get an electrically sound cable a few tens of $ will probably be OK.
This thread has exactly the same logical signature as another recent one dealing with RG59 type coax for SPDIF. At work we use short lengths of RG59 at 2$ or less pr. meter, at frequencies up around 2 GHz with no lost bits, and from highly reputable manufacturers like Huiber-Suhner, Belden, Amphenol etc and of course quality BNC connectors.
2000$ for a better sounding RG59???? Insanity at best.......
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