You suggest it's all in the head, but also that you need super-quantum sound reproduction. But how do you know that simply the power of suggestion isn't enough to provoke an Invisible Speakers experience? Tell someone that's what they should expect, and that might be what they hear. Or ply them with the right combination of booze and tobacco. What if it could be shown that placing four speakers in the corners of the room could provoke a similar experience? Doing it with two might be a neat trick, but hardly earth shattering. What would be your test material? Dave Brubeck's Take Five, I'll be bound.
Again, it would only count at all if it wasn't the 'inventor' remarking on how "the speakers just seem invisible!".
Ask anyone who's trying to get the trick to happen, like Pano, whether the power of suggestion will do it! It's like an on/off switch, either it's happening or it ain't ... it's damn black and white to me!!
Booze makes poorer reproduction more tolerable, that's about the main benefit, it won't help improve the sound, subjectively. Yes, playing with room acoustics will help, and that's always been the case; personally, I feel that if the setup can get the job done with zero fiddling of the speaker/room interface then much greater benefits acrue - like, one can be located anywhere in the room and still experience the effect.
Test material can be anything, the "worst" recording you can find, if the system is really humming.
Pretty easy to test acoustic invisibility: just blindfold them, move them around the room a bit, and then ask them to point to where they think the left and right speakers are ...
Booze makes poorer reproduction more tolerable, that's about the main benefit, it won't help improve the sound, subjectively. Yes, playing with room acoustics will help, and that's always been the case; personally, I feel that if the setup can get the job done with zero fiddling of the speaker/room interface then much greater benefits acrue - like, one can be located anywhere in the room and still experience the effect.
Test material can be anything, the "worst" recording you can find, if the system is really humming.
Pretty easy to test acoustic invisibility: just blindfold them, move them around the room a bit, and then ask them to point to where they think the left and right speakers are ...
A few gratuitous insults here and there, a few unnecessarily personal comments not in keeping with forum policy. Keep it up guys and a few of you could end up on vacation for a week. Please keep it civil and to the point. Thanks...You can't trust your ears. They cheat, and lie, and deceive. You're better off without them.
It's the brain that cheats and lies and deceives. And you can't separate the brain from the ears as all of our perception of sound takes place in brain.
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SY, do you know if there are any studies on how human hearing may differ from person to person, assuming a group under study has equivalent ability to hear the audio spectrum, low to high?
What I'm getting at is that with taste, one may taste cilantro and love it (like I do). But the person next me takes one bite and screams it tastes of soap.
Likewise, hot peppers. Some are extremely sensitive while others can eat a habañero without flinching.
I often wonder with all the differences among humans due to evolution, how much we really do hear alike? You know, even with the dumb lizard brain between our ears.
What I'm getting at is that with taste, one may taste cilantro and love it (like I do). But the person next me takes one bite and screams it tastes of soap.
Likewise, hot peppers. Some are extremely sensitive while others can eat a habañero without flinching.
I often wonder with all the differences among humans due to evolution, how much we really do hear alike? You know, even with the dumb lizard brain between our ears.
Well I, for one, still love Mr. Brubeck. Since I grew up listening to his records - his "anodyne pap" holds a special place in my heart. I even learned to play the alto sax because of Paul Desmond. Krall I can take or leave - buy I've certainly heard much worse. Most of what I hear on the radio and TV is much worse.
Looking at the music threads here on diyAudio I don't think many members have a right to brag about their musical tastes. Really. It's mostly the same tired old rock-n-rock and silly pop, or whatever is the flavor of the moment. Nothing of much musical value. Of course everyone thinks his own musical taste is superior to everyone else's - but 98% of them are wrong.
Back to the title of the thread...
Best one i heard (or didnt hear as the case may be) was swapping the No8 power connector around on a CD player. One way sounded better than the other.
I saw this done at a HiFi club meeting. A few people claimed they could hear a difference and a few people picked which way round it was after a few AB's.
My arms remained firmly folded thru the whole exercise.
Best one i heard (or didnt hear as the case may be) was swapping the No8 power connector around on a CD player. One way sounded better than the other.
I saw this done at a HiFi club meeting. A few people claimed they could hear a difference and a few people picked which way round it was after a few AB's.
My arms remained firmly folded thru the whole exercise.
Lots. And it's true of live music, as well- different people perceive it differently. But they all perceive it as live.
Personally, I'm building and designing for an audience of one, so I'm more concerned about whether things cause an audible change of not, rather than what changes will please the most listeners. Diy-er's privilege.
That's not true, you say many things that are just not true. This type of threads make me sad because I see people wasting their times and I just fail to see the fun part. Or the productive part, or the creative part. Just show me your DIY audio project and stop the blah blah that gets us nowhere. A VERY boring place, maybe. By the way, what's up with the Lounge lately? Moderators should
change the rule: A place to talk about almost anything but politics, religion and AUDIO. Oh dear.
What crap do you like?
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