hi all
i always use the standard mundorf white and red caps for bass and mid and the silver oil or supreme for the highs
works out great for price and i think you would be hard pressed to get better value for your money
i always use the mundorf inductors as well and would never change
Sheafer
i always use the standard mundorf white and red caps for bass and mid and the silver oil or supreme for the highs
works out great for price and i think you would be hard pressed to get better value for your money
i always use the mundorf inductors as well and would never change
Sheafer
mundorf zn are more detailed and more 2d than other types of this brand, so the comparison with suoerior-z is wrong from my point of view.
i never put mundorf-zn in buffer part of circuit.
try superior-z in comparison with mundorf supreme and let we know...
Here is a critique of Tony Gee's 'tests' as of 2009.
Capacitor voltage rating vs performance - The Kitchen - The Classic Speaker Pages Discussion Forums
Now if we could only find testing on electrolytic's .....
There's not a lot to choose from amongst the non-polar lytics currently being offered. My recommendation is go with lytics spec'd at 5% D.F. or less. Some of the speaker parts suppliers off those. Bennic is just one brand that offers that spec. I've tested a number of them electrically and they are quite consistent.
Here's another current thread where CC's do get mentioned...
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/215542-clarity-cap-mr-vs-mundorf-silver-oil.html
i give a try...
Is about the same cost...
What are you believe??
You prefer mundorfs?
I always looking for neutral smooth sound in my designs...
One of the main reasons I choose the Jantzen is because it reminded me of the Obbligato fio. A nice cap.
One of the main reasons I choose the Jantzen is because it reminded me of the Obbligato fio. A nice cap.
The Obbligato 70 uF oil is pretty much the go-to cap for higher values without the "sucking" sound (..from your loudspeaker or your wallet).
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Nope.
My statement was just from looking at Tony's cap test.
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They all have 630 voltage (presumably the same film thickness), so the entire line should sound similar regardless of capacitance.
Obbligato Film Oil Caps | Diy HiFi Supply
The common ASC X386S is also well-rated, but not nearly as well as the Obbligato (7.8 vs 9.5 for the Obbligato). The voltage value and the total capacitance value is also lower on the ASC's today (60 uF and 440V). I remember using the ASC's in a power supply once (and liked them) but never considered them for a crossover.
IF I were doing a high quality LCR to drop impedance at Fb, I'd use the Obbligato's.. I might even use them for a lower mid with a bypass or two, I guess it just depends on what the result is.
Good point, with the exception of the MR, which is somewhere around Euro 65 for 4.7uF, I find them dissappointing in clarity and detail. I much prefer the Mundorfs in comparative price-ranges. Again, this is very subjective and to a degree system related.
I distinctly remember how similar I found the PX, SA and ESA, and how pleasantly surprised I was with the MR. I've not re-visited this brand since then. This is one capacitor brand where my findings are very similar to Tony from Humblehomemadehifi.
I rarely utilize Caps in the MR price range so I've not had much use for this either. Most of my large collection of 4.7uF test caps have now been used, so I have no way to revisit this interesting issue. Another two cents... now four...
Looking at Tony's cap test, and going back to the OP's original question, I'd disagree on some points with Tony's findings with regards to Jantzen.
My test-notes show larger differences in presentation between the different Jantzen capacitors; I'd rate them further apart and slightly lower. Tony, for example, rates the Superior Z higher than the Mundorf Supreme Cap. This does not coincide with my findings.
Tony also finds the Silver Z to be less musical and neutral than the Superior Z. I find the Silver Z to be preferable when it comes to neutrality, presentation, detail and clarity. The Superior Z may subjectively sound warmer due to less detail and clarity. This may explain it. As mentioned, the Silver Z is only 30% more expensive than the Superior Z, so if you're not looking to mass-produce the Silver Z would be my choice.
Finally, if the choice would be between the Silver Z and the Mundorf Supreme Cap (the two are similar in price) I'd choose the Mundorf 100% of the time.
Using Bennic now , with bypass , was thinking of changing them all out for film caps, pretty pricey due to the large values , thinking now of using a mix of both ....
I have a large quantity and variety of Mundorf unetched capacitors, tried by-passing them with the basic Mundorf M-Caps but found the results less than rewarding. I like the Audyn unetched but I've not found a reliable supplier.
As a rule I don't utilize electrolytic capacitors, hence the large stock I suppose. The last time I did do so was with a Visaton design, one of the VOXes. Visaton's designs often utilize larger value capacitors.
As mentioned, I use the basic M-Caps for non-critical applications, and the Mundorf unetched for if the value exceeds 150uF or so. When I do use electrolytics I tend to exchange them later with the before mentioned.
I agree with Ronmeister in that I prefer the Silvers to the Superiors. I've not done a comparo with Supremes, as they were out of my price range.
I really like the ASC in Oil in comparison to CC SA's. This was a large difference and both have benefits. I find the ASC to have a larger soundstage than the SA, but the SA has more sparkle and detail. This is a this/that endgame selection, but I really like both.
The other make I like is MultiCap. The PPMFX are better, IMO than the SA, and a lot cleaner. Being they are cheaper than the Jantzen Z Sup/Silver, I think they are my reference go-to cap for higher-end projects.
I prefer Solens on my woofers to pretty much anything else.
Later,
Wolf
I really like the ASC in Oil in comparison to CC SA's. This was a large difference and both have benefits. I find the ASC to have a larger soundstage than the SA, but the SA has more sparkle and detail. This is a this/that endgame selection, but I really like both.
The other make I like is MultiCap. The PPMFX are better, IMO than the SA, and a lot cleaner. Being they are cheaper than the Jantzen Z Sup/Silver, I think they are my reference go-to cap for higher-end projects.
I prefer Solens on my woofers to pretty much anything else.
Later,
Wolf
Does anybody have an opinion on the trending in VDC rating vs sonic rating Tony Gee evidently has? Personal bias? Higher cost = better sonics?, etc..?
IIRC, higher voltage caps require more film surface area and thus are larger in size. I've often wondered about what benefits the larger surface area provides when doing its job.
IIRC, higher voltage caps require more film surface area and thus are larger in size. I've often wondered about what benefits the larger surface area provides when doing its job.
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