Hi José,
I hope you succeed this way.
Also I'm hoping other victims of Tarasque will come forward! I'm pretty sure we are not alone...
Jan
I hope you succeed this way.
Also I'm hoping other victims of Tarasque will come forward! I'm pretty sure we are not alone...
Jan
This whole thing has been a wise lesson for me how people react in different situations.
I'vehad reactions that were positive and ones that were negative because I did not send the fets the same day or there was more than 5 mV difference.
Sometimes it takes a long time to deliver or the postal service has schredded the package.
In almost every situation I have managed to find a solution for the problem that developed, except in two cases. Jose is one of them.
Jose...When you choose to continue this, you have lost me and any hope for a good solution. In any case I will not respond to ultimatums, threating mails or blackmail.
I can accept that you ere frustrated...So am I. I can not accept that way you have communicated in the past weeks.
I'vehad reactions that were positive and ones that were negative because I did not send the fets the same day or there was more than 5 mV difference.
Sometimes it takes a long time to deliver or the postal service has schredded the package.
In almost every situation I have managed to find a solution for the problem that developed, except in two cases. Jose is one of them.
Jose...When you choose to continue this, you have lost me and any hope for a good solution. In any case I will not respond to ultimatums, threating mails or blackmail.
I can accept that you ere frustrated...So am I. I can not accept that way you have communicated in the past weeks.
So what about the fact you sold me an APOX volume/input control you said was in working order which was not the case. What about the fact you sold me an Aleph P1.7 you said was in working order but had to be repaired. What about the transformer you sold me with the Aleph. You promised to send me the datasheet. It never came. You refused to take back the items you sold me.
I also asked you before I bought anything from you if you were willing to give me technical support because my technical knowledge is very limited. You agreed. But when I got in trouble with the broken items you sold me you refused to help me.
In answer to your private message: that is my problem with you! I also think that a private message with only text in the title and no text in the message part is pretty indecent. You are not reliable. In fact you are a shame to the diy-community!
About the private message. I will not talk about this matter privately. I tried that after buying your garbage but you refused.
Jan
I also asked you before I bought anything from you if you were willing to give me technical support because my technical knowledge is very limited. You agreed. But when I got in trouble with the broken items you sold me you refused to help me.
In answer to your private message: that is my problem with you! I also think that a private message with only text in the title and no text in the message part is pretty indecent. You are not reliable. In fact you are a shame to the diy-community!
About the private message. I will not talk about this matter privately. I tried that after buying your garbage but you refused.
Jan
Jan...As I explained to you in the period after the sale, It has been working and I have used it for some time.
I have stopped the mail exchange as you miss some basic understanding of electronics.
I do not know what happened to the components while at your place and I have helped you where I could and handed all information that is available.
Sorry to hear that you did not get this to work to your satisfaction.
Marcel,
You are a swindler. You can use as many words you can find in your own defense but the bottom line is I lost € 230,- buying your garbage.
I may not be en electronics engineer or whatever but I've been building long enough to know that you sold me not working items...
On the APOX volume board were two broken relay's, load resistors of incorrect value and some wrong value resistors. There was also something wrong with the processor. Yes Marcel, someone with the right skills had a look at what you sold me. It was not working properly. It was not working at all.
The Aleph board was also not working properly. I checked the components you used and replaced some... Now it is working. But not thanks to you.
I will say it again: you are a shame to the diy-community. It is because of people like you make people suspicious when buying from fellow diy-members. You should be ashamed!
Jan
You are a swindler. You can use as many words you can find in your own defense but the bottom line is I lost € 230,- buying your garbage.
I may not be en electronics engineer or whatever but I've been building long enough to know that you sold me not working items...
On the APOX volume board were two broken relay's, load resistors of incorrect value and some wrong value resistors. There was also something wrong with the processor. Yes Marcel, someone with the right skills had a look at what you sold me. It was not working properly. It was not working at all.
The Aleph board was also not working properly. I checked the components you used and replaced some... Now it is working. But not thanks to you.
I will say it again: you are a shame to the diy-community. It is because of people like you make people suspicious when buying from fellow diy-members. You should be ashamed!
Jan
I made my point José. I guess everybody now knows how Tarasque does his business.
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José,
If it is any use to you I still have the complete e-mail conversation I had with Tarasque / Marcel van der Zande. It reveals how he acts...
Jan
If it is any use to you I still have the complete e-mail conversation I had with Tarasque / Marcel van der Zande. It reveals how he acts...
Jan
Hi José,
Please remember: Tarasque/ Marcel van der Zande is very, very good in not responding. You have given him more than enough time to respond. He is online here almost everyday, he could have easily responded.
Jan
Please remember: Tarasque/ Marcel van der Zande is very, very good in not responding. You have given him more than enough time to respond. He is online here almost everyday, he could have easily responded.
Jan
Hi All,
I got this message below and here is my answer:
I have not read this thread because I am not interested in this T. guy at all. Anybody can read my earlier posts(there is not so many but my english is not too great!) so no need tell much again. I paid for some parts and had not got anything - no parts, no money back, no answer only some T. fans. I thought I should ask the moderators to check their IP-s but then I had let it go. I had realized diyaudio is not a community only some hobbysts talking with each other occasionly and there are always cheaters in the mass.
I have the paypal receipt and e-mails from some Marcel if you want them I do not know they are enough for anything.
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Hi Judo,
I saw your post:
Quote:
I did not ask any help from Tarasque only asked how much and sent the money. I thought I had bought these parts and started collecting the others you can see it was almost half a year ago. Not my first diy project, not the tenth but I had not similar "help" until now. This is ridiculous and revolting at the same time the procedure itself not the consequences. The promise has to keep not the money.
I am reliable too, send me 104 euros I can promise not giving them back.
I do not think this type of "business" is good for diyaudio.
Which you posted here: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/group...d-fets-21.html
I wonder if you ever got your money back from Tarasque?
Please look at the following link why:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...f-fets-19.html
If Tarasque and you not got to an agreement would you please come forward and tell your story?
Greetings,
Jan
Leeuwarden
I got this message below and here is my answer:
I have not read this thread because I am not interested in this T. guy at all. Anybody can read my earlier posts(there is not so many but my english is not too great!) so no need tell much again. I paid for some parts and had not got anything - no parts, no money back, no answer only some T. fans. I thought I should ask the moderators to check their IP-s but then I had let it go. I had realized diyaudio is not a community only some hobbysts talking with each other occasionly and there are always cheaters in the mass.
I have the paypal receipt and e-mails from some Marcel if you want them I do not know they are enough for anything.
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Hi Judo,
I saw your post:
Quote:
I did not ask any help from Tarasque only asked how much and sent the money. I thought I had bought these parts and started collecting the others you can see it was almost half a year ago. Not my first diy project, not the tenth but I had not similar "help" until now. This is ridiculous and revolting at the same time the procedure itself not the consequences. The promise has to keep not the money.
I am reliable too, send me 104 euros I can promise not giving them back.
I do not think this type of "business" is good for diyaudio.
Which you posted here: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/group...d-fets-21.html
I wonder if you ever got your money back from Tarasque?
Please look at the following link why:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-...f-fets-19.html
If Tarasque and you not got to an agreement would you please come forward and tell your story?
Greetings,
Jan
Leeuwarden
Hi Judo,
Thanks for coming forward. I read what happened and understand your response. You are also a victim of Tarasque/Marcel van der Zande.
I can only hope more victims come forward. I guess it is not just the three of us...
Jan
Thanks for coming forward. I read what happened and understand your response. You are also a victim of Tarasque/Marcel van der Zande.
I can only hope more victims come forward. I guess it is not just the three of us...
Jan
Disputes in the commercial sector forums are let to be aired if civil enough in tone since DIYA is not directly intervening in such matters. So every one interested in some purchases can be informed of other members experiences and see the replies of the sellers. Since this one dispute is well portrayed and went to the point of legal action, we close it as a swap thread, so it can be judged outside here and no potential new problems may occur from this thread meanwhile. 
Edit: Member audiofanatic emailed us on 24/2 that the situation between Tarasque and him got solved satisfactorily. He also asked to remove his relevant posts. Its opening again.
Edit: Member audiofanatic emailed us on 24/2 that the situation between Tarasque and him got solved satisfactorily. He also asked to remove his relevant posts. Its opening again.
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Edit: Member audiofanatic emailed us on 24/2 that the situation between Tarasque and him got solved satisfactorily. He also asked to remove his relevant posts. Its opening again.
Dear Salas,
May I remind you that the matter with Audiofanatic has been solved after he took legal actions against Tarasque (Marcel van der Zande) and also informed the police. Marcel got scared and gave Audiofanatic (José) his money back.
But... Marcel still has not delivered his goods, or gave money back to Judo (see previous page). Marcel has also never delivered all the goods I bought from him and the goods he delivered were not working (AND NEVER COULD HAVE WORKED!) as advertised. And maybe there are even more victims who have not come forward or have seen this thread.
So i think the matter is not solved. Taraque (Marcel van der Zande) is still active on this forum. In real life he would not have gotten away with it.
Therefore I public urge Diyaudio to take actions against Tarasque (Marcel van der Zande). I think it is very important we can trust each other. Tarasque (Marcel van der Zande) has proven that in at least three cases he can not be trusted and in fact has actually stolen money from forum members.
Regards,
Jan van der Wal
Leeuwarden
We only referred to Audiofanatic's case after he emailed it was solved. Your posts and Judo's are there. Tarasque can reply and members can see. The forum is not directly policing the commercial threads. Its impossible. That is the long time policy, we only can let all air their problems as long as it is done in civil tone.
Salas,
I'm sorry. I am an outsider to all that's been discussed here. However I'd like to let you know you cannot sit by idling.
DIYaudio facilitates sales of parts etc. through this subforum this means you are partially responsible for users intentionally not getting the parts they ordered, or being swindled (which clearly is the case here) as you have been privvy to this whole conversation yet you fail to take measures.
These measures could include:
- Permanent ban of the member who has been swindling
- Dialog with the swindler to get him to reimburse the buyer(s)
- Blacklisting of swindler to indicate he's not trustworthy
- Maintaining a list of known swindlers and putting him on
- etc.
You apparantly do not seem to be motivated to do any of the above, hence you are aiding and facilitating the swindler to continue his practices through this forum.
In many countries that makes you (effectively DIYaudio) liable for damages. So I would strongly advice you to reconsider your stance on this matter.
I hope this message is enough incentive for you to take appropriate action.
P.s. this message has also been sent to the DIYaudio administrator.
Looking forward to your reply,
Best regards,
Sander Sassen.
I'm sorry. I am an outsider to all that's been discussed here. However I'd like to let you know you cannot sit by idling.
DIYaudio facilitates sales of parts etc. through this subforum this means you are partially responsible for users intentionally not getting the parts they ordered, or being swindled (which clearly is the case here) as you have been privvy to this whole conversation yet you fail to take measures.
These measures could include:
- Permanent ban of the member who has been swindling
- Dialog with the swindler to get him to reimburse the buyer(s)
- Blacklisting of swindler to indicate he's not trustworthy
- Maintaining a list of known swindlers and putting him on
- etc.
You apparantly do not seem to be motivated to do any of the above, hence you are aiding and facilitating the swindler to continue his practices through this forum.
In many countries that makes you (effectively DIYaudio) liable for damages. So I would strongly advice you to reconsider your stance on this matter.
I hope this message is enough incentive for you to take appropriate action.
P.s. this message has also been sent to the DIYaudio administrator.
Looking forward to your reply,
Best regards,
Sander Sassen.
Do you think waiting two years is acceptable? Audiofanatic got his money back (at least part of it because he paid the cost of his legal actions) but I guess Judo has not. Please read again and try to understand...
I have and I do. There's nothing from either you or Audiofanatic until this page. Unless there have been posts censored out (possible), there isn't any real justification for libeling another member.
Okay, so paying Tarasque money and not receiving what one bought or receiving not working items (as in my case) is not really a problem according to you...
Salas has indeed deleted some posts...
Salas has indeed deleted some posts...
Regarding parts not arriving:
Hands up those of you who paid to have your parts shipped via registered mail or courier. It's expensive to send things this way but you know for sure you will get them or be compensated if they are lost. Judge if this extra cost (substantial) is warranted.
Hands up those of you that understand that there isn't only the postal system involved - there is the customs agency of YOUR country (yes, we live in different countries). Your parts can sit in custom forever - no joke. They can disappear anywhere along the way also. No insurance, no parts.
Regarding parts that don't work:
Ever buy an IC or any other electronic part at a retail store? Sale is final and not returnable (even if it's in its original packaging) in MOST stores.
This all is none of MY business but like SSassen, I found I could not sit idly by. Like I said, I have some hard learned experience with selling something on this forum. 99% is a good experience - that 1% idiot ruins the show. Threats for legal action, contacting Paypal, etc. as the item that was shipped sits in customs of the country it is going to!
If I have something for Salas, it's to create a sticky explaining the logistics of this to those hand-wringers that are losing sleep over a few bucks.
Hands up those of you who paid to have your parts shipped via registered mail or courier. It's expensive to send things this way but you know for sure you will get them or be compensated if they are lost. Judge if this extra cost (substantial) is warranted.
Hands up those of you that understand that there isn't only the postal system involved - there is the customs agency of YOUR country (yes, we live in different countries). Your parts can sit in custom forever - no joke. They can disappear anywhere along the way also. No insurance, no parts.
Regarding parts that don't work:
Ever buy an IC or any other electronic part at a retail store? Sale is final and not returnable (even if it's in its original packaging) in MOST stores.
This all is none of MY business but like SSassen, I found I could not sit idly by. Like I said, I have some hard learned experience with selling something on this forum. 99% is a good experience - that 1% idiot ruins the show. Threats for legal action, contacting Paypal, etc. as the item that was shipped sits in customs of the country it is going to!
If I have something for Salas, it's to create a sticky explaining the logistics of this to those hand-wringers that are losing sleep over a few bucks.
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