Yeah it was, wasn't it?
se
I believe it was.....but then,you know I have this difficulty......I can't be very......objective.......hahahahaha
It is not the size of the external ears that matters, it is how the brain and ear work together with experience and an interest in musical differences that makes hi fi interesting and productive. (Just in case you didn't know this) ;-)
Don't give me that "it's not the size that matters" line. It's self-delusional ********. It's what small-eared men try to convince themselves of to try and boost their self-esteem.
Lemme tell ya pal, you ask any hot babe out there and they'll pick Dumbo every time. 😀
se
I am still trying to find out WHAT you accept or do not accept re all this psychoacoustic stuff.
I am beginning to think that you actually are unaware of the basics under discussion here (?)
Let's try it this way. If it were proposed to you that...'studies have found that knowledge of what you are hearing can affect your perception'...do you a) accept that it is totally true, b )could be partially true or c) totally wrong.
Here is the point tho, if that datum came from studies carried out, then any conflicting view you might have must (to have the same level of validity) also have come from studies.
What studies (tests) have you conducted that would allow you to disagree?
Simply saying 'I just know' is not enough.
Another quick example, you clearly feel there are strong easily discernable differences between amplifiers. That tells me you have never level matched the ones under test. (note that I am not saying there is NO difference, just that it suddenly is not as 'vast' as you once thought). Simply more data that tells me that you really don't quite grasp the psychoacoustics we are talking about.
And, IIRC, you once mentioned that you refuse to do a blind test because 'I don't listen with my eyes shut'. Again, simply more evidence that you might not fully grasp yet what is really being discussed??, that you have very basic misunderstandings?
I think (know actually) you would walk away quite shocked if you ever were able to be a participant in a properly conducted test, where all (most) of these psychoacoustic factors have been accounted for.
I also know that as you are an audiophile, well they never put their beliefs to the test, so you will never (not even out of interest) be a participant.
If it does NOT pique your curiosity, then we can conclude (contrary to any assertions you may have made) that you ARE in fact only in this thread to convince others.
Terry you can think what ever suits you my friend. I am like a great number of people that care enough to have learned how and what to listen for when comparing many aspects of differences between components, be they capacitors, cables, preamps, amplifiers, etc. Not everything sounds the same. I hope that this does not come as any surprise. If you do not follow that logic, whether I prove that I can hear differences to you or not, it matters little. It is a personal issue that I use to evaluate components for my own system. I have done it for years. I am not about to change now, regardless what you or anyone else feels that I can or can not do.
I am not here to state that anyone needs to do anything that they feel that they are not capable of doing, though I do believe that anyone can learn to hear differences if they truly want to learn to do so.
My studies have been conducted by trial and error. I listen to a reference component and change it with a "test" subject. If I hear differences for the good, I will continue with the tests as many times as I feel I need to determine the true nature of these differences. Not everything is always "good". Sometimes the differences take many days to understand exactly how they have affected my system. That is my research regime and always has been, It has never failed me.
Determine from this what ever makes you happy. I know that I am happy and will remain that way 🙂
As far as level matching is concerned, I listen for tonality, imaging and sound staging clues, not level or frequency issues when I am comparing equipment. These are the differences that lesser electronics typical destroy that the better equipment allows to be heard. Do you understand about these subtleties with respect to listening? They are the hallmarks of how great system separate themselves from run of the mill audio equipment.
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SY,
Triode amplifiers are very expensive to build from new parts.
To build, say, a SET 300B based power amp is quite a major undertaking for those who have limited resources. To travel and attend - along with freighting heavy amps etc. - a gathering such as that to which you refer to is also very expensive. Therefore the attendance is bound to be top heavy on the age scale level as younger people have usually more pressing needs for their disposable money - its the 'Old Gits' who have the readies!!
[I know how much a good SET well designed and specified cost to build using NOS Telefunken PS electrolytics, Tamura transformers and chokes throughout and NOS Telefunken tubes....that was back in the early 1980s. ONLY those with considerable spare cash could possibly afford to even think about such a design.]
What is the all up cost of the BOM for a well specified RLD amp using good iron?
I didn't see much SET at the BAF. And there was quite a variety of stuff on display at ETF, including the Scrapbox Challenge (from "Valve Amplifiers") which uses a much less expensive tube than the breathtakingly overpriced 300B.
The BOM for a decent build of the RLD, assuming the builder is a profligate who won't buy surplus parts, is about $350-400. A scrounger can drop the price to half that.
The BOM for a decent build of the RLD, assuming the builder is a profligate who won't buy surplus parts, is about $350-400. A scrounger can drop the price to half that.
Got it curly, always did.
Can you please just answer the question...which do you accept or not accept with these 'supposed psychoacoustic issues'. (you know, level matching, identities etc etc)
NOT trying to be argumentative, AM trying to get an understanding of WHICH of these issues you accept or deny, NOT trying to hear (again) how you conduct your auditions.
Are you able to answer that please??
Thanks.
so there
Lots of audiopuffery... reminds me of a Stereophile article...
Well... I guess you put Terry in his place...😀
Spoken like a true (ex)salesman... humble too!!
Lots of audiopuffery... reminds me of a Stereophile article...
Well... I guess you put Terry in his place...😀
Spoken like a true (ex)salesman... humble too!!
Just wanna say to curly that I'll drop it, not trying to hunt or hound.
I WAS curious about which psychoacoustic 'theories' he accepts or not, and why.
(could be wrong curly) but what I see is that you are the ONLY one who (seems) to be denying the basics. Any answer you may give could change that of course, I only have the little so far.
(excuse the categories ok??) at least the other 'cable believers' try and argue/find the reasons why dbt's produce no results for cable audibility. Just so you get it, that DOES imply that 'knowledge of the product being auditioned can influence results'.
You are the only one (it seems) denying that! You are on your own here, and I don't think you ever realised it???
Time for dumb question...auplater..we often never think much about sign on names, but with the recent posts about connectors and gold plating etc..only just put a possible two and two together..does auplater signify your profession??
I WAS curious about which psychoacoustic 'theories' he accepts or not, and why.
(could be wrong curly) but what I see is that you are the ONLY one who (seems) to be denying the basics. Any answer you may give could change that of course, I only have the little so far.
(excuse the categories ok??) at least the other 'cable believers' try and argue/find the reasons why dbt's produce no results for cable audibility. Just so you get it, that DOES imply that 'knowledge of the product being auditioned can influence results'.
You are the only one (it seems) denying that! You are on your own here, and I don't think you ever realised it???
Time for dumb question...auplater..we often never think much about sign on names, but with the recent posts about connectors and gold plating etc..only just put a possible two and two together..does auplater signify your profession??
Thanks SY.
Agree that the 300b is a ridiculous price....mainly because of not much more than mystique.🙄
I have always been attracted to the EL84....a very sweet tube which in a properly balanced system can be superb in terms of musical involvement and 'forget the system'. I also have a few hundred red LEDS from the 1970s! ....along with horn speakers at 94Db and an O/B at 96-97Db. May even have a shot at building your amp hard-wired as, being a scrounger, I have a lot of the components including mil spec matched 84s🙂!
@ Curly,
Dont let them grind you. 😉
BUT I have to say that your background and experience has given you the opportunity to hear well matched systems. You know as well as the rest of us that certain mixes of hardware no matter how 'good' each component may be individually , simply do not 'work' unless the system is put together with experience and skill. You also know that in some systems certain cables are excellent, but that others of equal price and reputation may may well be very poor indeed in the same system. It has been called 'system synergy' over here. That some are in a specific application does not make them 'better' cables for they may well behave very badly in another system. Although my experience has shown me that certain cables sound good and others not so good the differences are more often explained by system matching than not.🙂
Dont let them grind you. 😉
BUT I have to say that your background and experience has given you the opportunity to hear well matched systems. You know as well as the rest of us that certain mixes of hardware no matter how 'good' each component may be individually , simply do not 'work' unless the system is put together with experience and skill. You also know that in some systems certain cables are excellent, but that others of equal price and reputation may may well be very poor indeed in the same system. It has been called 'system synergy' over here. That some are in a specific application does not make them 'better' cables for they may well behave very badly in another system. Although my experience has shown me that certain cables sound good and others not so good the differences are more often explained by system matching than not.🙂
moi?
yeah.. I've been known to plate a few things in my life... mostly these days, tho, I just harass insurance companies for not paying medical claims.
John L.
yeah.. I've been known to plate a few things in my life... mostly these days, tho, I just harass insurance companies for not paying medical claims.
John L.
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