2001: A Space Odyssey
This is the biggest waste of time I've ever experienced. Kept on watching thinking "this has to get better sometime". It never did and that is 2 hours and 21 minutes of my life I'll never get back. I can't believe this trash is rated so high. It was slow and boring. Too many things go unexplained. The film tries so hard to be epic it just falls flat on its face. Absolute garbage.
This is the biggest waste of time I've ever experienced. Kept on watching thinking "this has to get better sometime". It never did and that is 2 hours and 21 minutes of my life I'll never get back. I can't believe this trash is rated so high. It was slow and boring. Too many things go unexplained. The film tries so hard to be epic it just falls flat on its face. Absolute garbage.
Natural Born Killers:
This is the only movie I have ever walked out on. This film was revolting to me. Violence has its place in moves, but this was repugnant and senseless violence that had no rhyme or reason. Very disturbing.
This is the only movie I have ever walked out on. This film was revolting to me. Violence has its place in moves, but this was repugnant and senseless violence that had no rhyme or reason. Very disturbing.
JLH said:
It was in my Top 10 of all time. Brilliant film, but not for those who want nice, neat, predictable plots, lots of chase scenes, things that go BOOM in space, or for people who prefer films that focus on a group of middle aged women coming to terms with their relationships with their mothers and daughters.
Yes, this one, rather, is for those that like to listen to the music and/or watch the pretty visual effects with their brains in neutral.
Clarke and Kubrick really cooked up pretentious, $elf-indulgent and vacuous bore with this one. The icing one the cake was the pair declaring that those who do not like the movie must be incapable of handling the films deep religious implications. I reckon Ron Hubbard would have loved it.
Clarke and Kubrick really cooked up pretentious, $elf-indulgent and vacuous bore with this one. The icing one the cake was the pair declaring that those who do not like the movie must be incapable of handling the films deep religious implications. I reckon Ron Hubbard would have loved it.
SY said:
Well you were supposed to, because that was what the author and director intended:
Last paragraph:
http://www.palantir.net/2001/meanings/essay05.html
Clake’s view:
http://www.palantir.net/2001/meanings/clarke2.html
However note that Kubrick has the atheist in his sights whilst Clarke singles out those who would find his concept (of man himself evolving into a God - represented by the 'starchild' in the film) blasphemous. Little wonder the film was so incoherent and "non-obvious" in its message.
It's not so much evolving into a god as evolving into a more advanced sort of life. It's a recurring theme in Clarke's work (for example, the wonderful novel "Childhood's End").
SY said:
Err, in 2001 that higher intelligence IS a god - one (represented from the beginning by the black monolith) that takes a special overseeing interest in and directs the evolution of man until man himself becomes a born a god – the Star Child looking down on /over the Earth in the final scene.
That depends on your definition of a "god." In this case, it's not a Creator of the Universe, but a higher intelligence, one that seeks out the potential for intelligence, sparks it, nurtures it, then incorporates it. It's not supernatural, it's natural, just natural on a level (in the words of Clarke) "indistinguishable from magic."
Semantics, I suppose.
Semantics, I suppose.
I meant from the perspective of the apes/man.
I think that was Clarke’s obvious intent – to provide a naturalistic framework for a universe that man views (due to lack of knowledge) superstitiously.
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I think that was Clarke’s obvious intent – to provide a naturalistic framework for a universe that man views (due to lack of knowledge) superstitiously.
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Kubricks take:
http://www.industrycentral.net/director_interviews/SK07.HTM
Why does 2001 seem so affirmative and religious a film? What has happened to the tough, disillusioned, cynical director of The Killing, Spartacus, Paths of Glory, and Lolita, and the sardonic black humorist of Dr. Strangelove?
The God concept is at the heart of this film. It's unavoidable that it would be, once you believe that the universe is seething with advanced forms of intelligent life. Just think about it for a moment. There are a hundred billion stars in the galaxy and a hundred billion galaxies in the visible universe. Each star is a sun, like our own, probably with planets around them. The evolution of life, it is widely believed, comes as an inevitable consequence of a certain amount of time on a planet in a stable orbit which is not too hot or too cold. First comes chemical evolution -- chance rearrangements of basic matter, then biological evolution.
Think of the kind of life that may have evolved on those planets over the millennia, and think, too, what relatively giant technological strides man has made on earth in the six thousand years of his recorded civilization -- a period that is less than a single grain of sand in the cosmic hourglass. At a time when man's distant evolutionary ancestors were just crawling out of the primordial ooze, there must have been civilizations in the universe sending out their starships to explore the farthest reaches of the cosmos and conquering all the secrets of nature. Such cosmic intelligences, growing in knowledge over the aeons, would be as far removed from man as we are from the ants. They could be in instantaneous telepathic communication throughout the universe; they might have achieved total mastery over matter so that they can telekinetically transport themselves instantly across billions of light years of space; in their ultimate form they might shed the corporeal shell entirely and exist as a disembodied immortal consciousness throughout the universe.
Once you begin discussing such possibilities, you realize that the religious implications are inevitable, because all the essential attributes of such extraterrestrial intelligences are the attributes we give to God. What we're really dealing with here is, in fact, a scientific definition of God. And if these beings of pure intelligence ever did intervene in the affairs of man, so far removed would their powers be from our own understanding. How would a sentient ant view the foot that crushes his anthill -- as the action of another being on a higher evolutionary scale than itself? Or as the divinely terrible intercession of God?
I'm going to tune my E-meter now. There are aliens out there who care for you.
http://www.industrycentral.net/director_interviews/SK07.HTM
Why does 2001 seem so affirmative and religious a film? What has happened to the tough, disillusioned, cynical director of The Killing, Spartacus, Paths of Glory, and Lolita, and the sardonic black humorist of Dr. Strangelove?
The God concept is at the heart of this film. It's unavoidable that it would be, once you believe that the universe is seething with advanced forms of intelligent life. Just think about it for a moment. There are a hundred billion stars in the galaxy and a hundred billion galaxies in the visible universe. Each star is a sun, like our own, probably with planets around them. The evolution of life, it is widely believed, comes as an inevitable consequence of a certain amount of time on a planet in a stable orbit which is not too hot or too cold. First comes chemical evolution -- chance rearrangements of basic matter, then biological evolution.
Think of the kind of life that may have evolved on those planets over the millennia, and think, too, what relatively giant technological strides man has made on earth in the six thousand years of his recorded civilization -- a period that is less than a single grain of sand in the cosmic hourglass. At a time when man's distant evolutionary ancestors were just crawling out of the primordial ooze, there must have been civilizations in the universe sending out their starships to explore the farthest reaches of the cosmos and conquering all the secrets of nature. Such cosmic intelligences, growing in knowledge over the aeons, would be as far removed from man as we are from the ants. They could be in instantaneous telepathic communication throughout the universe; they might have achieved total mastery over matter so that they can telekinetically transport themselves instantly across billions of light years of space; in their ultimate form they might shed the corporeal shell entirely and exist as a disembodied immortal consciousness throughout the universe.
Once you begin discussing such possibilities, you realize that the religious implications are inevitable, because all the essential attributes of such extraterrestrial intelligences are the attributes we give to God. What we're really dealing with here is, in fact, a scientific definition of God. And if these beings of pure intelligence ever did intervene in the affairs of man, so far removed would their powers be from our own understanding. How would a sentient ant view the foot that crushes his anthill -- as the action of another being on a higher evolutionary scale than itself? Or as the divinely terrible intercession of God?
I'm going to tune my E-meter now. There are aliens out there who care for you.
G.Kleinschmidt said:Ron Hubbard would have loved it.
I have a miniature prop from "Battlefield Earth" here on my desk, quite impressive those model makers. I have never had the energy to spot it in the film.
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