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Old 7th June 2010, 06:26 AM   #71
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I got BetsyK's, that's what the labels say. Both you and Paul suggested to get them, so I thought "it's got a whizzer cone anyway, those are cool".

I'm currently happy with a 25 ohm series resistor. It's really strange, they suddenly sound really nice now, they sounded a bit unnatural before. Either my ears have adjusted, or they've hit some sort of break-in point.

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Old 7th June 2010, 10:04 AM   #72
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re:3rd K12 - I picked up a set of 4-slit vent factory K12 with ~30 degree baffles and IIRC (?) they're about 24.75" tall and built like John's X15 as far as using 3/4" veneered particleboard and would think the Tannoy set of 3rd K12 we saw on auction to be built using the same stuff (Novaply?) You need at least the BetsyK - FE206E aren't too strong for K12
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Old 7th June 2010, 10:32 AM   #73
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I hope I've not done something wrong. I surely got BetsyK's, and I asked for them when offered. Ken, you surely got the Betsys. Don't feel too bad, one of mine were damaged in shipping (damaged a speaker in shipping! WHAT do those guys do with the boxes?). It's still listenable, I'm waiting a few weeks before Paul can replace it. I looked at the box today, this must have been what did it.

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Old 7th June 2010, 04:25 PM   #74
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I'll just send you these Betsys. If they sound better without resistor,
then you can trade me the K's. If K usable, I won't care a slight ding.
Parts express sent me THREE times a Dayton loudspeaker (for Tritrix)
with seriously bent frames. Even one with no external box damage,
except that it had obviously been opened, and re-taped several times
before... Warpage far too severe to consider fixing with a mallet, as
coil felt like it might have a rub. Some of the lower end Daytons got
real wimpy thin steel frames. Betsy frame feels much more substantial.

Paul shipped my boxes taped together, probably a good idea. But even
better if you can figure which end is magnet and orient magnets toward
outside. Frames fronts toward center, where they are better protected.
The outside corners and edges of a heavy box can really take a beating...
Best that nothing delicate occupies the zone of maximum risk. Even then,
shippers will find some way to destroy 10%, what can you do?

Both my boxes look fine, I've only opened one. There is a staple in the
inner cardboard that slightly tore the front gasket. You really can't see
the small tear, and won't be cause for return. I'm just noting there is a
heavy staple needs to be relocated to a safer location, or curled more
fully into itself, that sharp points can't rip gasket...

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Old 8th June 2010, 03:42 AM   #75
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Ken,

I was thinking you wanted the Betsys, but now I remember the Karlson project. I'm sure I just goofed up. You indeed did get the Betsys, so the Qts you measured is dead on. If you and Keantoken want to trade, I sure wouldn't complain. Otherwise, email me and we'll work something out. I've got K's I could send you ASAP. Either way, I owe one of you a new BetsyK. I'm not sure what happened to that one in shipping. The cone shows a little damage, and I'm not incredibly comfortable with that. I've never lost one in shipping before. My packaging isn't fancy, but it has proven to be highly cost effective. Let me know where to ship the replacement BetsyK.

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