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Old 12th May 2013, 05:46 PM   #6771
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What do you mean? -please elaborate.
Get-lit was asking if he needed to worry about the length of the cables with his nC400-based system. You responded "In some systems cables matter a lot", so I wanted to clarify if you thought his system could be one of those systems, or not.
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Old 12th May 2013, 06:07 PM   #6772
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Get-lit was asking if he needed to worry about the length of the cables with his nC400-based system. You responded "In some systems cables matter a lot", so I wanted to clarify if you thought his system could be one of those systems, or not.
OK, thanks, I see.
Well I certainly don't know enough about Get-lit's system to qualify whether or not the specific cable he is using entails a significant bottleneck performance-wise according to his subjective taste.

In other words, he might not need to worry, and then he might -if not worry, then at least test (the only way to be sure) whether a system reconfiguration with shorter and/or better cable would enable him to appreciate his music even more.

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Old 12th May 2013, 06:12 PM   #6773
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In other words, he might not need to worry, and then he might -if not worry, then at least test (the only way to be sure) whether a system reconfiguration with shorter and/or better cable would enable him to appreciate his music even more.
So, pretty much "maybe, maybe not, don't know"?
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Old 12th May 2013, 06:17 PM   #6774
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So, pretty much "maybe, maybe not, don't know"?
Yes, as usual too many unknown variables to say anything with any certain degree of certainty
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Old 12th May 2013, 07:30 PM   #6775
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Planned system is NAD M15 HD2 preamp, Monitor Audio GS series speakers, and NC400 amps for left/right/center. May upgrade the speakers down the road to DIY with AE drivers and RALL ribbons, but that would be a few years away yet.

The 10 AWG wire isn't audio specific, it's this stuff (nylon jacket, 600V PVC insulation). Is shielded wire recommended?

On a side note, last year I read about a little box that does HDMI to 8 channel out, that can be spliced into for getting independent digital outputs for lossless digital signal to individual preamps->amps placed at each speaker. I bought the box then but forgot what it is now and it's unmarked.

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Old 12th May 2013, 10:04 PM   #6776
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looks like the new PS Audio amp will be using the UCD700 with the NCORE 1200W SMPS: Anyone interested in seeing the new amp? - PS Audio Discussion Forum

they're not using the NC1200 because of price reasons.
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Planned system is NAD M15 HD2 preamp, Monitor Audio GS series speakers, and NC400 amps for left/right/center. May upgrade the speakers down the road to DIY with AE drivers and RALL ribbons, but that would be a few years away yet.

The 10 AWG wire isn't audio specific, it's this stuff (nylon jacket, 600V PVC insulation). Is shielded wire recommended?

On a side note, last year I read about a little box that does HDMI to 8 channel out, that can be spliced into for getting independent digital outputs for lossless digital signal to individual preamps->amps placed at each speaker. I bought the box then but forgot what it is now and it's unmarked.

EDIT: Thanks everyone, this is by far the most responsive thread on the internet.
Any decent cable should be enough. What you pay for isn't for magical materials but rather for build quality and since it's just two straight bundles of wires + insulation not that much is needed. Shielded is overkill since it's high level signals transmitted through it.
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Old 13th May 2013, 06:02 AM   #6778
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Any decent cable should be enough. What you pay for isn't for magical materials but rather for build quality and since it's just two straight bundles of wires + insulation not that much is needed. Shielded is overkill since it's high level signals transmitted through it.
You don't know that. Conductor spacing is central. Also, they could be twisted. If so, twists per meter is central too. The number of strands, and their size probably plays a part too. Then we come to the mechanical stuff which is even weirder. You are absolutely right that these things don't have to translate into a big price tag and magical specifications, but to say that their all the same since their "just two straight bundles of wires + insulation" is to just not true - according to my humble experience.

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Old 13th May 2013, 06:45 AM   #6779
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You don't know that. Conductor spacing is central. Also, they could be twisted. If so, twists per meter is central too. The number of strands, and their size probably plays a part too. Then we come to the mechanical stuff which is even weirder. You are absolutely right that these things don't have to translate into a big price tag and magical specifications, but to say that their all the same since their "just two straight bundles of wires + insulation" is to just not true - according to my humble experience.
Yes, different cables have different properties. Whether those properties cause audible differences depends on the system where they are used - and mostly reflect weaknesses in the design of those systems. Until we know of a specific problem with the nCores that are caused or cured by specific cable properties, I think we should not advocate any specific cables - until you know what the problem is, any solution will be sub-optimal.

I, for one, am not aware of any such issues with the nCores, so I would say "any cables with a low enough resistance / high enough current capability are just fine for use with the nCores".
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Old 13th May 2013, 08:01 AM   #6780
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Yes, different cables have different properties. Whether those properties cause audible differences depends on the system where they are used - and mostly reflect weaknesses in the design of those systems. Until we know of a specific problem with the nCores that are caused or cured by specific cable properties, I think we should not advocate any specific cables - until you know what the problem is, any solution will be sub-optimal.

I, for one, am not aware of any such issues with the nCores, so I would say "any cables with a low enough resistance / high enough current capability are just fine for use with the nCores".
I know that we disagree on this topic which doesn't mean that we both can be right in each our way. And peace with that.
Ncore would be the first amp to not show differences in cables -at least to me. In all the systems that I have tested cables, the cables showed characteristic audible features. Does that mean that all systems are flawed or that cables in general seems to matter (in practice, no matter what can be deduced from selected theoretical representations), or both?
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