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Old 11th February 2012, 09:30 AM   #2031
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@Earflappin:
Great listening report, and I do agree with you completely. Interesting that you mention piano - to my ears good recordings of grand piano is where the Ncore really shows its strength. A friend of mine said that with my old UcD amps grand piano didn't sound "expensive" enough... meaning it sounded like a lesser quality piano. It sure sounds more expensive with the Ncore amps.

I also notice that everything sounds darker, warmer, smoother with the Ncore, but yet more spacious and with better resolution of every tiny musical detail.
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Old 11th February 2012, 09:34 AM   #2032
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May I ask you, which PSU arrangement are you using? The SMPS600?
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Old 11th February 2012, 09:42 AM   #2033
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Difficult to get some (for me at least) reliable reports for the time being apparently....
When bass in my system sounds "sensational" I probably stop listening after an hour or so....
I am sure that the amps sound very good, but how good amidst other well known good sounding amplifiers???
Not meant in a negative way, but please try to be a bit "subjectively objective" (should not be too difficult for a Norvegian ).
I have only three amps that I have tested recently on my monster bass towers (eight 21" woofers), so I can only comment on those:

1. ICEpower 1000ASP (same as the well regarded Bel Canto Ref1000)
2. Hypex UcD400HG with SMPS400
3. Hypex Ncore NC400 with SMPS600

The ICEpower is a very capable bass amp, no doubt. But the UcD400 sounds a bit fuller, with more tone and more punch. ICEpower sounds somewhat tighter/leaner without actually having any better resolution.

As I said before, I need some more listening on the Ncore, but the impressions so far is that it's a major improvement, primarily in definition and dynamics. Its noticably more punchy, faster and controlled than the other two amps. And the definition of tone is better, its easier to hear the pitch and tonal quality of low bass notes. A few examples: different bass guitars and players sounds more different than before. Its also easier to hear if a bass player is not playing each tone with the same loudness, the same goes for bass drum.
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Old 11th February 2012, 11:51 AM   #2034
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Yes maybe, but I trust my own ears enough, and don't need Bruno's advice on this one.
When this particular Dac wouldn't work with UCD (curious to know why...) I'd sooner replace the UCD than the Dac
IMO there's a lot of audiophile BS out there but there's none worse than the filterless NOS DAC scam. I'm saying this from the position of someone who owns a NOS-modified CD player.
I guess everyone knows that some of the best audiophile recordings are produced using dCS pro equipment (not made anymore). have you ever seen the insides of those units? they resemble a PC motherboard more than an audio product. and yet, at the playback side of things one transistor too many ruins everything
my frank opinion is that it all comes down to $$$, not NOS vs OS. there's no such thing as a cheap DAC that's really good..
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Old 11th February 2012, 11:58 AM   #2035
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and one more thing. I see 6moons reviews being quoted a lot. IMO even Stereophile is more credible if one knows how to read between the lies [cough], I mean, lines. and that should say a lot.
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Old 11th February 2012, 12:00 PM   #2036
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I guess everyone knows that some of the best audiophile recordings are produced using dCS pro equipment (not made anymore). have you ever seen the insides of those units? they resemble a PC motherboard more than an audio product. and yet, at the playback side of things one transistor too many ruins everything
And that is before you have seen the innards of the typical studio mixer...
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When this particular Dac wouldn't work with UCD (curious to know why...) I'd sooner replace the UCD than the Dac
ucd and unfiltered deltasigma dac chips

I was only partially right, he was referring specifically to R2R filterless NOS implementations.
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Old 11th February 2012, 12:43 PM   #2038
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Earflappin thanks for the report.
You already own the nCore of DACs (absolute performance, no nonsense and "no sound of its own" manufacturer's attitude and value for money considered).
Bonus points for LIO's flexibility (not really applicable to power amps) which further differentiates your card/DAC from the competition at this and significantly higher price points.
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Old 11th February 2012, 12:44 PM   #2039
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May I ask you, which PSU arrangement are you using? The SMPS600?
Avr300, I am using 1 SMPS600 for both nCore400 modules. To implement this configuration you need to create a Y cable by cutting in half the cable provided with the SMPS600.

I will probably buy a second SMPS600 not because I need the power, but so that I can get the amps closer to my speakers. I will use a stereo case to hold open the option to either run active or biamp.

Speaking of cases, has anyone completed a design available for purchase?

BTW, Stig-Erik, thanks for your post. I found myself nodding my head in agreement as I read it.
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Old 11th February 2012, 02:39 PM   #2040
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@earfappin: Thank you for the review!
As soon as I find a suitable, maybe tailor made, compact chassis for a mono SMPS600/NC400 design, I'll definitely going to buy 5 SMPS600/NC400 for my home theater setup!
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