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|11th December 2011, 02:20 PM||#1|
DHT headphone Hybrid-CF+
After reading Broskie's hybrid CF+ post here, I decided to play around with the 4P1L triode-strapped DHT and LTspice to see how this circuit may perform for my Grado SR80 headphones which are 32 ohm.
In the attached simulation you can see that simply with one tube running at about 20mA you could get around 0.21% THD when output level is 223Vrms at the 32ohm load. With a sensitivity of 89dB/mW, this would be more than enough as maximum level or am I doing the maths the wrong way here?
This will need just 770Vrms at the input, so will need to add a stepped attenuator and will get a simple headphone amp with this setup.
Any suggestions before attempting a breadboard of this circuit?
|11th December 2011, 05:57 PM||#2|
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Location: Holt, Norfolk
I take it your signal voltages were meant to be mV and not volts. 1mW into 32 ohms is about 178mV rms. I suspect you will find this is not loud enough.
Last edited by ruffrecords; 11th December 2011 at 06:01 PM.
|11th December 2011, 07:21 PM||#5|
You can get them from Dmitry's website here:
Have used the 4P1L with excellent results though, see my thread on 4P1L. Also tweaked your shunt regulator that I have on my 26 preamp to fit the current needs of the 4P1L and worked incredibly well. I'm now doing a side by side comparison!
Any suggestions on this preamp?
|11th December 2011, 07:35 PM||#6|
Join Date: Sep 2004
4 pole DHT spice symbol
Dmitry's (composite) library - http://www.dmitrynizh.com/dmitry_composites.zip - not compatible with LTSpice five pole triode-with heater symbols.
Use this four pole symbol:
LINE Normal -48 0 -28 0
LINE Normal -20 0 -12 0
LINE Normal -4 0 4 0
LINE Normal 12 0 20 0
LINE Normal 28 0 36 0
LINE Normal 0 -48 0 -16
LINE Normal -20 -16 20 -16
LINE Normal -20 -12 20 -12
LINE Normal -20 -16 -20 -12
LINE Normal 20 -16 20 -12
LINE Normal 16 32 16 65
LINE Normal -16 33 -16 65
LINE Normal 1 24 16 32
LINE Normal -16 33 1 24
CIRCLE Normal -48 -48 48 48
WINDOW 0 8 -64 Left 0
WINDOW 3 62 -29 Left 0
SYMATTR Value TriodeDHT
SYMATTR Prefix X
SYMATTR Description This symbol is for use with a subcircuit macromodel that you supply.
PIN 0 -48 NONE 0
PINATTR PinName P
PINATTR SpiceOrder 1
PIN -48 0 NONE 0
PINATTR PinName G
PINATTR SpiceOrder 2
PIN -16 64 NONE 0
PINATTR PinName K1
PINATTR SpiceOrder 3
PIN 16 64 NONE 8
PINATTR PinName K2
PINATTR SpiceOrder 4
Save it to ...lib/sym/misc directory (my symbol name is TriodeDHT.sym).
|11th December 2011, 07:54 PM||#8|
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|11th December 2011, 09:53 PM||#9|
Here's a simple model of 4p1l, made with curvecaptor from curves of a 4p1l triode connected. This model does not include capacitance and does not use the cathode as heater. But in ltspice it's easy to use just as any triode. Works fine for playing around with various operating points, distortion, etc.
.subckt 4p1l P G K
Bp P K I=(0.3189882589m)*uramp(V(P,K)*ln(1.0+exp((12.8963 8275)+(12.89638275)*(10.11832999)*V(G,K)/V(P,K)))/(12.89638275))**(1.120990401)
|28th December 2011, 05:49 PM||#10|
Today I finished the breadboard version of this amplifier. I decided to parallel two 4P1L to achieve lower output impedance and minimise distortion. In LTspice it performs really well: THD=0.016% @ Vo=360mVrms.
The bipolar capacitors are OSCONs and the value was chosen due to the availability (the -3dB corner is around 5Hz).
Haven't used in this breadboard the Rod Coleman's regulators. Just a good regulated DC supply.
My old bench HT power supply has a significant ripple when dragging 40mA so ended up adding a 470uF electrolytic to minimise the 100Hz bump. See attached.
When testing this circuit, I lowered the HT to 90V to achieve 40.8mA of idle current across the two triodes. When driving it with a 1Vrms I got THD=0.026% @ 484mVrms (1.52Vpp). When tested with the headphones, maximum level for me was around 80mvrms, so distortion is really good.
No ringing issues in CF mode. A bare minimum when you tap the valves. Remember that my grados are 89dB/mW
Sound is warm. If you run the amp at lower than 40mA you get the third harmonic higher than the second. To me the PNP transistor doesn't seem to add any colouration to the sound. It's pleasant to listen to and quiet. This can be improved with a proper HT supply to minimise the ripple
I need to build this properly now...
"A mistake is always forgivable, rarely excusable and always unacceptable. " (Robert Fripp)
Last edited by mogliaa; 28th December 2011 at 05:53 PM.
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