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Old 5th January 2012, 12:01 PM   #1
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Default 20-30hz tapped horn for studio with ande drivers

Hi all,

Im looking for an existing proven tapped horn design that works with any of the better ande drivers here: JDs Sound and Lighting. Speaker Components

my requirements are to go as low as possible, be easy to build and not too big. It will be used in my studio so super loud is not necessarily, but i will gladly take what i can get.

If I were not limited to the drivers in Australia choosing a design wold have been easy, I am learning lots about tapped horns and horn response but i'm still too much of a newbie and that's why i ask for help.

thanks,

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Old 5th January 2012, 12:25 PM   #2
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Hi all,

Im looking for an existing proven tapped horn design that works with any of the better ande drivers here: JDs Sound and Lighting. Speaker Components

my requirements are to go as low as possible, be easy to build and not too big. It will be used in my studio so super loud is not necessarily, but i will gladly take what i can get.

thanks,
You'll want a driver with plenty of Xmax to get down to 20Hz, the SB18-5 and SB21-1 might be the best bets. But these won't fit with "not too big", you'll probably end up with a box around 20 cubic feet :-)

But I don't see how both sets of T-S parameters can be correct; they've got the same coil diameter, magnet size and Xmax (same coil/magnet?) but the 18" has BL=24.3 (seems low) and the 21" has BL=36.3...

If you don't need such high SPL but still need to get down to 20Hz none of the smaller Ande drivers are suitable (Xmax is too low), you need something more like the Eminence LAB12 -- or for even smaller boxes, the Tangband 8" (or even 6.5") subs might be suitable.

http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/show...d-range-in-Aus

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Old 5th January 2012, 01:05 PM   #3
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Good choice doing two separate horns for PA and HT. very different beasts !

I'm using don snyders lab 12 tapped horn in my home theater. 20hz tuning...it's very large. 5' x 3' x 16"
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Old 5th January 2012, 01:09 PM   #4
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Ahh, so suitable for big pa enclosures but not small low freq extension home theater boxes.

Hmm.. Good taped horn speakers available in aus is very small
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Old 5th January 2012, 01:11 PM   #5
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Good choice doing two separate horns for PA and HT. very different beasts !

I'm using don snyders lab 12 tapped horn in my home theater. 20hz tuning...it's very large. 5' x 3' x 16"
are you refering to this: Lab12 - Tapped Horn -

as I was looking at that but with some driver available in aus. If so how good is the box i have read it gets down to 18hz at its rolloff?

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Old 5th January 2012, 01:21 PM   #6
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Yup that's the one! I'm not sure what you mean by how is the box? The input screen is there run the sim in hornresp and see if you like the response.

I'm using a qsc rmx 1450 bridged to power it, I was running it off of one channel previously but would get some clipping on the larger explosions. Now with active crossover HP and LP I don't get any clipping at any volume levels!

For the rear of the room I have two volvotretter double fold tang band tapped horns. Each corner loaded, providing bass down to 45hz or so (I was getting motor noise at 40hz so I high passed them right above that)

You will have plenty of options by the time you build, so set your goals (REALISTIC) ones, then choose a design.
I don't have DSP for my mains, so I have no delay set up for the mains....the result?
On music you can tell the bass isn't as tight as it should be, but for HT it really doesn't affect it (to my ears)
But my setup is strictly HT and I used it once for music playback and most likely won't ever again.
So again set your goals then decide, and don't forget things like amp power, DSP etc etc!
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Old 5th January 2012, 01:35 PM   #7
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Im guessing it goes plenty loud to annoy the neighbors :P

I will be running the low pass at very low for the enclosure so I think that will efectively bypass the whole not being punchy issue in music (because Im pretty darn sure 20hz is never gonna sound punchy)

I have a pair of jbl 8" 2300 series reference monitors that are capable of 60hz-70hz and up which is what i will put the sub alongside. Also I do have access to DSP as I have a dbx driverack not being used atm.

As for an amp, I dont really have one except for a lab gruppen 3400, which is way overkill, I am thinking of getting an xti that can be used for PA at later stage if needed, I can limit it with dsp and Im very courteous to the neighbors and only push into high spl at midday when no one is home.

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do you have a link for all of the ande the drivers you have available?
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Old 5th January 2012, 01:47 PM   #9
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JDs Sound and Lighting. Speaker Components does that work?
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I don't see a good 10" driver on that list for something like lilmike's TH. However I did see the LB1560. It's a PERFECT (read 100% perfect) match for the ss15.

You have another link with jbl gto or other drivers that you have access to?
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