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Old 3rd March 2010, 05:55 PM   #1
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My new project. On motherboard PCB are PSU 0,+/-100V and 0,+/-15V; Soft-Start for X-former; DC and Anticlick speaker protect; Balanced/Bridge circuit and two Amplifier driver who can run all kind output stage Bipolar, Darlington, Mosfet with Complementary or Quasycomplementary circuit.
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Old 3rd March 2010, 10:19 PM   #2
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Hi Apex, have you used this inputstage successfully in a amp, Q6 and Q8 can give a lot of instability and oscilation, what kind of compensation do you use with this setup ??
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Old 3rd March 2010, 10:37 PM   #3
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This mini PA Amplifier use the same circuit with four BDW83D/BDW84D darlington outputs. Driver power suply is +/-50V up to +/-120V DC, and is have much stability than clasical circuit with single tansistor in VAS. Compenzations are R5,C3,C7.
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Old 4th March 2010, 07:19 PM   #4
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This amplifier module named Kelvin is made for testing driver circuit. There is no VI limiter just fast fuses. Work with +/-56V DC PS.
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Old 7th March 2010, 10:50 AM   #5
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Made for testing, and now this is my favorite home amp. Powerfull, great sound.
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Old 7th March 2010, 11:06 AM   #6
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Hi Apex, can you give component values, Id like to simulate this one because of the unusual vas. You have compensated it in a different way I have seen such a vas stage done, the only manufacturer I know of that uses this setup is Yamaha in their subwoofer amps.

This type vas loves to oscilate in the Mhz range. Why dont you use driver for the output transistors.
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Old 7th March 2010, 11:20 AM   #7
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This type vas loves to oscilate in the Mhz range. Why dont you use driver for the output transistors.

Agree.
Shunt compensation doesn t work well on simple differential topology.

It work best on symetrical differentials.
I published such a schematic by there, it s somewhere on the old pages,
and there s scores published on the net as well.
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Old 7th March 2010, 11:33 AM   #8
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This design is not so much about the shunt compensation although this vas might work using it, its a baxandall superpair setup, most linear stage Ive tried but problems with oscilation. There is a couple of threads dedicated to try stabilize this type vas.
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Old 7th March 2010, 11:38 AM   #9
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R1-1k
R2,R11-22k
R4,R6,R7,R8,R16-560R
R5,R10,R14,R15,R17,R18,R19-220R
R9,R12,R13-100k
Emiter resistors-0R33 5W

C1-10uF/25V ELKO
C2-100pF KER
C3-1500pF KER
C4,C5,C11,C12-2,2uF/63V ELKO
C6-100uF/25V ELKO
C7-330pF KER
C9,C10-220pF KER
C8-100nF MKS

D1,D2,D3-1N4148

Q1,Q2,Q3-2N5401
Q4,Q5,Q7-BC547
Q6-BC557
Q8-MJE340
Q9-MJE350
Q10-BD139
Q11,Q12-BDW84D
Q13,Q14-BDW83D

I use 100nF KER beetwin input GND and power GND (not stufed on photo) if need to compensate HF oscilation, but not need in this case. Output transistor are darlingtons.

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This design is not so much about the shunt compensation although this vas might work using it, its a baxandall superpair setup, most linear stage Ive tried but problems with oscilation. There is a couple of threads dedicated to try stabilize this type vas.
I suppose that it works, since apexaudio has a functionnal unit..
Will try some sims of this Vas when i ve some time left, as i ve got
other things to sim currently...
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