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Old 30th November 2007, 05:08 AM   #121
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By the way, I would like to buy the pair of PCB also. It will speed up development dramaticley. And, to be honest, your warning about how PCB layout is critical stops me from redesigning it. If you, Roender, will place order for PCB manufactoring, pls, remember me as well.
And, pls, excuse my english (for all).
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Old 30th November 2007, 06:16 AM   #122
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Dear fellows,

Thank you all for your interest in building my amplifier.
Regading PCB request, I've left with two RMI-FC100 PCB peers unused. The price is not small, 45EUR for one stereo amplifier, because all of them was made as a prototype in a very small quantities.
If I have to make 50 peers, the PCB shop price will be only 22Eur for two RMI-FC100 boards (one stereo amp).
I don't know if it's rentable for you to buy at this "prototype price" because you must add shipment cost. Maybe in an envelope will be much cheaper ...
If you can organize a group buy, I will put an order for 50 peers of two. It will take 7 working days for shop to make the boards and I will send all of them to the GB organizer.
The PCB for regulated front end PSU was made "in house" with the help of an press and peel blue paper. This one was much simple to make because it has only one layer.
On the other hand, maybe you can get a better price from a local PCB shop and you can use gerber/exelon files attached earlier in this thread.

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Old 30th November 2007, 06:29 AM   #123
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Shure, i am already on it ( pieces supply).

It's possible the pcb must be modified to fit my case. Roender do you have somethink you want to try? I have acces to a milling prototype machine for the PCB, it's more easy than etching it.
Hi DRZ1,

I don't know what is this "milling prototype machine" and what type of files can be use to make boards.
I can send to you all CAD files if you want to make some changes but I must warn you that you will need a valid EAGLE license because the PCB dimensions is over maximum permissible free version size.

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Old 30th November 2007, 06:56 AM   #124
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I'd like to.....but I'd need some guidance ...
... What is the width of the boards plus output transistors (to check if my my heatsinks are OK). What are the transformer requirements; how much latitude is there with the supply voltages?

thanks,
Steve.

Hello Spind,

You will have my support!
The amplifier PCB dimmensions are:
205 x 63 mm for PCB only
205 x 97 mm for PCB and Power BJTs
For power stage only you will need one 400...500VA 4x25V or two 200...250VA 2x25V transformers. For the front end PSU you will need one 30VA 4x34V or two 15VA 2x34V transformer.
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Old 30th November 2007, 09:10 AM   #125
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WARNING FOR THOSE WISHING TO DESIGN THEIR OWN PCB

An amplifier of this complexity requires careful layout. Stability is a primary concern in any feedback amplifier. My commercial amplifiers often require extensive pcb design work, and some have taken more than 100 hours at the PC to yield an elegant, functional and easily constructed module.

Good layout is not trivial, it is an art, and many electrical parameters and layout issues must be considered. This all takes time and often considerable iteration. This is expensive.

I strongly suggest interested parties support Roender's layout with a group buy; it clearly works very well and looks very slick.

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Old 30th November 2007, 09:32 AM   #126
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Hi, Roender,

There's a patent of distortion reduction for topology using folded cascode+current mirror.
Patent #5166637
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Old 30th November 2007, 10:16 AM   #127
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Hi, Roender,

There's a patent of distortion reduction for topology using folded cascode+current mirror.
Patent #5166637
I'm working on it, see http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...31#post1349231
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Old 30th November 2007, 10:33 AM   #128
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Hi, Roender,

There's a patent of distortion reduction for topology using folded cascode+current mirror.
Patent #5166637
Thank you David.

Patent #5166637 is an earlier blueprint of Scott Wurcer's AD797. Who will need such complexity for an power amplifier?
That clever current error correction around folded cascode VAS and output stage is unnecessary for an class A output stage.

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Old 30th November 2007, 10:38 AM   #129
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I'm working on it, see http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...31#post1349231

Hi apparatus,
why not make an own thread? I like your approach.
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Old 30th November 2007, 01:42 PM   #130
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Hi, Roender, aparatusonitus,

I never built/use this correction system, so I don't know much about it, but looking at your schematics, it is quite easy to experiment with it.
If you look at this attachment, the correction system is possible because there is a "virtual" inverting input of the output stage, that is point A.
The correction works optimal if impedance of "32a" (that is element 56+54) is the same (calculate the gain first) to the impedance of "36a" (that is element 62+60).
In your schematic, element "32a" is C8//C9.
(In aparatusonitus' is C12//R38)

You can try this correction system by putting C from output node (before L) to emitor of Q14. Initial approximation value could be 30pf (C8//C9), but it must be adjusted in the real amp.

(in aparatusonitus' amp, put another 47p//165k from output to emitor of Q11a)
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