idea of a "ultimative" hornspeaker system

Intersting,

but I found something even more intersting than the pictures. Could you detail a bit on that 2" special Coaxial compresion Driver/Tweeter in Audio Voice Sonata?

I don't remember seeing anywhere a dual concentric compresion driver... so this must be something special..

angeloitacare said:

more pictures at :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/audiovoice_hornloudspeakers/

your comments and sugestions are welcome.

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Interesting design, and I'll watch it's development with interest.

For work reasons, I'm currently living in another city and had to dismantle my horn mains and LABhorn subs and go back to direct radiators (KEF 104/2).

I'm in the planning stages for a new and improved rig when I return, based upon my previous experiments. Current plans call for Azura 240 horns with a small coax (Radian, Hemp or BMS) from about 200Hz up and a hypex driven by a pair of 15's from there down to about 60Hz. Subs will be IB's in the ceiling with the 24 15" drivers I have laying about.

SunRa said:

Intersting,

but I found something even more intersting than the pictures. Could you detail a bit on that 2" special Coaxial compresion Driver/Tweeter in Audio Voice Sonata?

I don't remember seeing anywhere a dual concentric compresion driver... so this must be something special..

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The BMS driver data can be found here.
http://www.bmspro.info/?&show=item&usbid=10267
4590 or 4592ND. I've been using the 4590's at home since 2001 or so.

Re: coax driver

angeloitacare said:

the coax i use in the Sonata is a modified BMS4592nd coaxial driver.

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How is it modified?

I've been using the 4590's at home since 2001 or so.

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Brett,
Which horn did you use with the 4590's? Crossover? After living with them for a good while, what is your subjective impression of the driver? Strengths and weaknesses?
Thanks,
Paul

Dunno, but if ur a manufacturer, shouldn't you register as a manufacturer??

Looks like a commercial site for ur link??

But the computer renderings look nice... or are those photoshopped pictures?

Is Fane still in business? Thought they went under a few years back, iirc.

_-_-bear

Fane have been bought by Precision Devices, check their website for details. I don't know what their plans are for Fane - maybe they'll carry on the M.I and Guitar speakers, but the high power stuff I can't see them carrying on with as this is P.D's bread and butter.

-Len.

Paul W said:

Brett,
Which horn did you use with the 4590's? Crossover? After living with them for a good while, what is your subjective impression of the driver? Strengths and weaknesses?
Thanks,
Paul

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Hi Paul,

I tried a ton of different flares an xovers with them. Simplest xovers were passive using what I had on hand to get an 18dB slope on oither side. Also used active LR24 and a Sony digital system (forget #) but similar to Driverack.

Flares included JBL 2380, some big F'glass (iirc HR1020?), Yuichi Arai 290 Hypex, 270 round tractrix, big conicals and I started experimenting with oblate spheroids just before I moved.

There were too many amps used to list.

It's a very good driver, a bit hard to cross passively unless patient, LR24 is good, very clean and transparent, but of course they sound different on different flares. Cross them above 400Hz >12dB for best results as they seem to muddy up is used lower. Many of my experimants were attempting to use my KHorn bass bin, but never really integrated well. Add a short midbass horn 150-600, and they were superb. I've not used a better driver in this range yet, and I doubt you'll find one for less money.

Further to my comments above about building a new big system, I may order a smaller set of Azurahorns and use these in it >600-800Hz, with the largest model 150 - 600 or so.

It's a very good driver, a bit hard to cross passively unless patient, LR24 is good, very clean and transparent, but of course they sound different on different flares. Cross them above 400Hz >12dB for best results as they seem to muddy up is used lower. Many of my experimants were attempting to use my KHorn bass bin, but never really integrated well. Add a short midbass horn 150-600, and they were superb. I've not used a better driver in this range yet, and I doubt you'll find one for less money.

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Thanks...looks like they will handle what I want them to do with no problem (700-800Hz). I had originally discounted them because the choppy impedance curve would, as you say, be an exercise in "patient" crossover design. On second thought though, a tough crossover may be a good investment. How loud did you play them, in what size room?

Paul W said:

Thanks...looks like they will handle what I want them to do with no problem (700-800Hz). I had originally discounted them because the choppy impedance curve would, as you say, be an exercise in "patient" crossover design. On second thought though, a tough crossover may be a good investment. How loud did you play them, in what size room?

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Save greif, go active.

I played them very, very loud (at times) in quite a large room; about 60% of my house consists of an open plan living/dining room with cathedral ceilings for the most part. I remember once 'demonstrating' my system to a guy whod bought one of those Bose HT in a box + 5 speaker systems and he complained that it (my system) didn't sound very loud. My RS SPL meter was hard against the stops at the time and it was still so clean we could comfortably converse over the top of it. The Police were regular visitors re the noise levels from the old bag next door who liked to complain. Eventually she left to go into a retirement castle and the young couple who bought the place shared my taste in music and listrening levels. The crockery next door is bouncing off the table - Brett must be home. Gotta love corner loaded LABhorns too.

Save greif, go active.

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That's an easy possibility...I have active XO channels available, so I'd only need to add one more amplifier. On the other hand, I enjoy a challenge now and then.