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Old 14th January 2003, 07:09 PM   #1
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Default A nice dac to complement the Aleph-X.

Now that Aleph X projects are well on there way I think a nice dac and passive preamp are all thatís needed to finish the set. When I say dac, all thatís truly needed is the I/V stage as dac schematics are plentiful on the web. My personal favorites are the PCM65, PCM 1702 and for 24bit PCB1704. The I/V for the Aleph X has to be balanced have a low HTD and for my personal tastes have a 2 volt swing for a passive preamp. Here is what I have come up with to get the ball rolling, Iíve taken Jocko Homoís I/V stage from the Easy-to-build I/V stage thread and made it balanced. The constant current sources share the LEDs or zeners if you like so the noise they make should be the same on both halves. Then, I added the last stage from the Nelson Passes D1 for a nice voltage swing. Following the Nelson Pass philosophy the I/v stage has only 2 semiconductors and one resistor and one cap in the signal path.

I have not built this dac, and it may indeed prove not to work. I am no electrical engineer of I have noooo idea how to even start calculating values for something like this. Because I mostly cut and pasted, most of the values should be right, but I wouldnít be surprise if the whole thing has to be recalculated and re-biased to make it work. This is just my idea of what the perfect dac to drive an Aleph X amp would look like. Itís my hope that someone will calculate values for this thing and try it or improve on it.


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Old 14th January 2003, 08:53 PM   #2
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Hi,
why not take a 9610 instead and put a feedbackresistor from the
drain to the dacīs output, acting as the c/v converter and to
control the conversion factor? You even can swap that cap
in the signal path (donīt like any cap in the signal path).

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Old 15th January 2003, 12:07 AM   #3
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I donít really know which is worst, feedback, or a cap it the signal path. It may help to make that 1.5k resistor a constant current source. I donít know if that would stop DC. If you wish take the picture and pencil it in so people can see what it looks like.

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Old 15th January 2003, 01:36 AM   #4
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Hey, When you guys get this all figured out let me know. I need a balanced out DAC!! So you design it and I'll be the first to build it. Wish I was the engineer type and could help with that, but I'm not....
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Old 15th January 2003, 06:48 AM   #5
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Thumbs up feedback

Hi,
reason for a (very tiny) amount of feedback is that you have to control VERY precicely the I/V factor, especially when going symmetric! both halves of the circuit should be matched far beyond 0.1%, with a feedback of lets say 6dB you are able to match. Otherwise you are a victim to broad tolerances concerning
Ŗ of the first transistor and transconductance of the fet!
IMHO itīs impossible to get symmetric performance without control.
I try to draw and simulate that circuit (UltiCap) and tell you
what happens
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Old 15th January 2003, 11:24 AM   #6
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Smile ulticap

Drawing is attached, if you use the 10k pot swap the 1k65 0.1%
with 2k5 0.1% for a maximum output of 2V pk. with PCM1704
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Old 15th January 2003, 05:06 PM   #7
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Uli, you need to add a resistor from the anode of the LED to ground to make some current run through it. For a standard LED, 1k might be a good value.
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Uli,
Thank you for your simulation. I see youíve made some changes. I like the idea of using matched transistors, however there very hard to find. Digi-Key had them; however I donít think they stock them any more. I will try to find my self an alternative source for these. I donít really understand what happened to the constant current sources at the top. They seem to have become ways of adjusting the voltage. In Jockoís ďEasy-to-build I/V stageĒ thread somebody suggested replacing the top constant current sources with a 2.49K resistor and a small cap Jocko said that the distortion would be at least 20 dB higher, I donít know why, take a look at the thread itís in the Digital section of this Forum. What happens with the dc offset in reference to ground? Thatís still there right?


Let me post a picture of your I/V stage to make it easier for people to see without having to download. I had to make it a little smaller, but you can still see all the values.

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Old 15th January 2003, 07:00 PM   #9
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Where is Jocko Homo?!!!!!!!!!


Dammit I would be very pissed if the guy that got me this 'design-the-perfect-I/V-stage' desided to ship the DIY-scene and instead is selling sony's and technics in a local Low-Fi shop.




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Old 15th January 2003, 07:44 PM   #10
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Exclamation oops

oops,
that resistor should have 12k!
trimmers are for output nulling without influence on gain!
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