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(With apologies to Oscar Wilde...)
There's always a lot of talk about output stage bias, but you don't see too many graphic examples designed to illustrate the value of bias current in lowering distortion. Here's a curve of a complementary Mosfet follower operated without feedback into 8 ohms and biased at a number of idling current values from 62 mA to 2A. (The lowest curve is 2 amps). Notice the heavy dependence of distortion on the bias current. Notice also that there is roughly an inverse proportion between bias and distortion. We are running curves from Class AB through twice the Class A value for the 20 watts. 0.062A corresponds to leaving Class A at 0.125 watts peak, 0.125A = .5W, 0.25A = 2W, 0.5A = 8W, 1A = 32W, 2A = 64W I get a lot of people who worry about the exact point where an amp leaves Class A, as if some sort of switch gets thrown and the amp which was delicious at 5 watts is now disgusting at 6 watts. As you can see, there is no such abrupt change as you move from Class A to AB mode, and we see that higher bias improves the linearity at all power levels, not just in the Class A region. bon apetite
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sierra Foothills - California
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Nelson,
Thank you for this set of examples. They do indeed graphically illustrate the point. There has been considerable discussion recently about the relative merits of SE bias vs PP bias and the optimal ratio between the two if both are used simultaneously. I for one would appreciate some illumination on this. One does wonder how one class A biasing electron can sound different from another. Perhaps I should ask, with apologies to George Orwell, if all electrons are equal how can some be more equal than others? Thank you, Graeme |
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What a gay curves, Oscar would agree.
Why do the curves seem to move towards eachother at higher output levels, ye great warrior ?
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ya think that Papa is off topic? ![]() not in sexual meaning,except if you imply that he is transsexual, just because of lack of avatar ..........
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Gay means flamboyant, flamboiante in French sounds even nicer.
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Hi there!
It's getting hot these days...bias is increasing....I need a cold drink... Sorry for OT, but I am getting married on Sunday, July 1st, and may be offline for a few days... I'll hopefully be back on July 16th... Have a nice time! (maybe I'll peek at this forum once or twice, but that's risky )Regards, Vix |
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Australia
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Nelson,
Thankyou for the illustration. What I find interesting is that increasing the bias in a pure SE design (no active CCS) the effect is quite audible as though there is a zone or optimum point (ref JHL 15 watt). Of course this may vary depending on the devices and topology. macka |
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Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Columbia, SC
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Well, there's equal...and then there's equal... No one electron can tell you much about the circuitry it has passed through. It takes a continual flow of them so that you incorporate the element of time, rather than attempt to draw conclusions from a single, discrete event. Once you have time, you can have cycles. Once you have cycles, you can begin to see patterns of deviation. Regarding single-ended vs. push-pull: Although you would notice a decrease in overall distortion with increased bias, that particular story would be more appropriately told by a graph showing the relative levels of second harmonic to other harmonics. And I would like to add my thanks to Nelson for initiating such an earnest discussion. Grey |
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