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Old 7th June 2015, 11:16 PM   #1
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Default Fake ELNA LAO 10000uf/80V from E-Bay seller

WARNINGS for "sharpseller2000" on E-Bay.
He sends out fake ELNA LAO 10000uF/80V capacitors.
On the picture in the advertisment he shows almost look-like-real ELNA LAO, but when you get it, it is a completely different capacitor!!
Marking on the fake is ELNA LA5 but color of the sleeve and print is not by ELNA standard.
After cutting of the insulation pad on the top, there is a deeply pressed cross on the aluminium can top. Not the ELNA sword like rupture engravings.
(You can also see the marker pen mark, where the new counterfeit sleeve negative should be)

Picture No 1 is what sharpseller shows in his advertisment
Picture No 2-4 is what you get when you buy it
Picture No 5, 6 and 8 is how ELNA LAO should look like.
Picture No 7 is a real ELNA LA5 capacitor in black sleeve with white printing

Price I paid for 10 pcs is USD80. I have had a long discussion with him, but he don't admit they are fakes. Just other Japanese ELNA LAO he says, because his supplier says so.
Even when the fakes he sent have LA5 printed in gold printing on them and have no ELNA can.

The last "offer" I got from him is a USD30 + postage USD32 in refund, if I return the fakes to him!! That means I would lose USD50 and have no capacitors at all!! And I dont belive at all, he will refund anythiong. Just try to stretch out the time so I will miss the opportunity to give him a negative.

"hi there,
refund will be just fine as i always do .
but my supplier is asking products return then i can get my money back. to be honest, i may not be as professional as you are, but i trust my supplier. will find out what is happening later.
before it .should i give you half refund $15 first? and after products return, then refund the another $15 half and the return postage as well.
hope we can solve the issue, don't worry about it.
regards
Harry"


I don"t trust him about anything, have now given him a negative feedback and dont expect any refund.

I also appriciate if other cheated DIY:ers here, share their experiances of other E-Bay sellers in this thread

JohanB

P.S.
Mesurements of the faked caps shows around 8200uF and they withstand 80VDC + 10% without leaking more than 10uA. ESR is around 50mOhm. What I can understand they are of some Nichicon series (because the cross stamp) or other no-brand Chinese manufacture.
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Old 8th June 2015, 06:30 AM   #2
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What strikes me most about your caps is the absence of "For Audio" on the sleeve, yet these are sold als for audio types.

What I'm wondering about is this: perhaps this is a standard Elna, like in your picture #7, but they somehow painted gold paint on the white printing to make it resemble a "For Audio" cap.
The different looking cross in the top may not mean this is not a genuine Elna, maybe the just changed something in the production process (different production site, different die for pressing the aluminium cans, etc...).

At this point I'd probably try to carefully scrape off some of the gold paint to see if there is white paint under the gold.
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Old 8th June 2015, 07:21 AM   #3
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You did not receive the goods as per description. Can you put in a claim at Paypal?
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Old 8th June 2015, 07:23 AM   #4
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Aren't all of these fake?
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Old 8th June 2015, 08:33 AM   #5
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EU ruling allows anyone using distance buying to return the product for any reason and receive a full refund.
If items are faulty or incorrect, one has a good chance of receiving a full refund with no return cost.
Open a case with ebay and paypal as soon as you can.
Beware, they may have been produced in a different factory and be the correct item but I would not be happy to receive a "Not as described" product and would insist on replacement.
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Old 8th June 2015, 02:23 PM   #6
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You did not receive the goods as per description. Can you put in a claim at Paypal?
Thanks, I've opened a case with E/Bay&PayPal now and will return the items according to PayPal guarantee.

I starded this thread to warn other DIY'ers of this seller as he don't ship the item on the picture and the item he ships is probably substandard or fake and not of ELNA LAO/type.
There are most probably many fakes from other sellers of ELNA LAO's to, but I've only experiance with this one.

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Old 8th June 2015, 02:59 PM   #7
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Did some more research. Take a closer look at the photos, at the finer print.

What this so called sharpseller has in his photograph is an Elna cap of the CEW-series. Apparently, this is a discontinued series (my 1994 Marantz PM80SE had the CE-series, also a "For Audio").

Already mentioned by JohanB are the differing colours of the markings between different series. A quick look at the current datasheets of the LAO-series (i.e. the type advertized by sharpseller) and the LA5-series confirm that the former has gold print on a black sleeve, the latter white print on black sleeve.

Also look at the data in the sheets. The LA5-series has a 10,000uF/80V cap of 35x50 mm size available. However, the LAO-series has no such capacity/voltage rating combination available at all.

Use this evidence to strengthen your case.

Edit: the gold LA5 print on your caps sticks out like a sore thumb. Man, these counterfeiters didn't even bother!
If the ESR-measurement was taken at 120 Hz, then 50 mOhm is rather a lot. Even the 8,200 uF/80 V LA5 has a lower ESR at 120 Hz (usually ESR is specced at 100 kHz, but Elna used 120 Hz). Probably some cheap knock-off hiding under that nice looking (but fake) sleeve...

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Old 8th June 2015, 05:20 PM   #8
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Don't bother returning the caps. Just make a Paypal claim, and you'll automatically get your money back (including shipping costs).

Discard the caps and never buy electronics components on Ebay again. Lesson learned. Everything there is fake. Everything.
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Old 8th June 2015, 05:34 PM   #9
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Discard the caps and never buy electronics components on Ebay again. Lesson learned. Everything there is fake. Everything.
^^^This...however, not with Russian electronics...I still buy on Ebay and have NEVER had a problem.
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Discard the caps and never buy electronics components on Ebay again. Lesson learned. Everything there is fake. Everything.
Come on, everything?! Let's be reasonable: 90%...?
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