I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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You know that's not really true. What you choose to listen to on your "playback" system is your business, but there is nothing that states that it has to be music. "Accuracy" is "accuracy" weather its music, bird calls, thunderstorms, or jet engines. The sound system has no idea what the sound its "reproducing" is. If its accurate for one thing then its accurate for everything and the source need not be music.

I hope you don't believe that anyone here doesn't know that a playback system has to be as transparent as possible.This is the ideal.Music and any sound however,are accurate only at the moment they are played or heard live.After that,bye bye:) So,we have only recorded music to feed our playback systems.NO ONE knows how that was played and how it has changed through the recording process.Through his system,EVERYONE can listen and enjoy it the way he likes,and the way it reminds him the real thing more,that can be different to the way it reminds you the real thing.That's reality,and this reality,gives no one the right to judge any one's taste.How I enjoy my music has no difference to the way I enjoy my coffee,food,film and everything in life where our senses are needed.Beyond that,it's a pointless even useless competition and war of just numbers.There are not many sensibly made audio equipment that fail to satisfy "musically".And this last comment goes for those who say/believe that "audiophile's" systems are not "competently"designed.Bad luck,most of them they are.
 
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The engineers must have applied some kind of magic.

Magic? No, why say that :D someone just did a good job :)

What I said about flat silver wire was related to the use as mains cable

I certainly do like simple flat silver for interconnects :xfingers:
And I like copper foil too :goodbad:

Just about anything "cheap" will do the job...and if its expencive I will surely find something to blame it :happy1:
 
I hope you don't believe that anyone here doesn't know that a playback system has to be as transparent as possible.This is the ideal.Music and any sound however,are accurate only at the moment they are played or heard live.After that,bye bye:) So,we have only recorded music to feed our playback systems.NO ONE knows how that was played and how it has changed through the recording process.Through his system,EVERYONE can listen and enjoy it the way he likes,and the way it reminds him the real thing more,that can be different to the way it reminds you the real thing.That's reality,and this reality,gives no one the right to judge any one's taste.How I enjoy my music has no difference to the way I enjoy my coffee,food,film and everything in life where our senses are needed.Beyond that,it's a pointless even useless competition and war of just numbers.There are not many sensibly made audio equipment that fail to satisfy "musically".

Not knowing anything about the recording/mixing/mastering technique used there's just no way to make each and every recording sound more "real" just by applying some audiophool magic. If you don't like what the recording/mixing/mastering engineer created then you're out of luck. You can't make a steak out of a pizza, especially if one uses a single set of tools only.

The most reasonable approach is to chose equipment that allows for the most accurate reproduction. Everything else is ignorant at best.
 
Not knowing anything about the recording/mixing/mastering technique used there's just no way to make each and every recording sound more "real" just by applying some audiophool magic. If you don't like what the recording/mixing/mastering engineer created then you're out of luck. You can't make a steak out of a pizza, especially if one uses a single set of tools only.

The most reasonable approach is to chose equipment that allows for the most accurate reproduction. Everything else is ignorant at best.

It is you(and I'm not even wondering why)who speaks about audiophool magic.Now if you tell me that the majority of recordings are "creations" and not useless **** then what can I say?Have it "accurately".............
There is no accurate steak,there is no accurate pizza:D
The logical approach is to enjoy your steak or pizza the way you like.If the chef insists that you have to eat his "creation" the way he likes,then you can have it his way Markus.You are the one who's paying.
To prove though that you are listening to "better music" than others by trying to humiliate other people's opinion is imo pathetic to say the least.Or,haven't you yet listened to a system that measures well and sound less well than its numbers suggest?I'm sue you have.Problem is to admit it,right?
 
It is you(and I'm not even wondering why)who speaks about audiophool magic.Now if you tell me that the majority of recordings are "creations" and not useless **** then what can I say?Have it "accurately".............
There is no accurate steak,there is no accurate pizza:D
The logical approach is to enjoy your steak or pizza the way you like.If the chef insists that you have to eat his "creation" the way he likes,then you can have it his way Markus.You are the one who's paying.
To prove though that you are listening to "better music" than others by trying to humiliate other people's opinion is imo pathetic to say the least.Or,haven't you yet listened to a system that measures well and sound less well than its numbers suggest?I'm sue you have.Problem is to admit it,right?

But you expect the pizza at your favorite restaurant to taste the same, every time you visit, right? And that's why you go there. In audio there's not just one restaurant you can visit every time. The recording will always be prepared by a different chef.

I don't want to comment the rest of your post because personal attacks will lead us nowhere.
 
Not knowing anything about the recording/mixing/mastering technique used there's just no way to make each and every recording sound more "real" just by applying some audiophool magic.

No there isn't it's the luck of the draw. That said about the only way you know you are going in the right direction if you want accuracy is there should be differences between them all. You should also be able to hear differences in mastering between tracks on CD'S as well.

The logical approach is to enjoy your steak or pizza the way you like.

That's exactly what we all do even if we don't want to admit it. I must say I am no wire nut but if you don't get enjoyment what's the point??

The most reasonable approach is to chose equipment that allows for the most accurate reproduction. Everything else is ignorant at best.

Ignorant is definately the wrong word. Everyone has a right to go to there own audio nirvana in there own way. I am in the accuracy measurement camp but recognize even the wire nuts have a right to their opinion. If changing wire makes them happy so what. I will worry about speaker and room issues. I don't agree with them but that doesn't mean that either camp is incapable of setting up a system that both groups can listen too and enjoy. Just different approaches to the hobby.

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But you expect the pizza at your favorite restaurant to taste the same, every time you visit, right? And that's why you go there. In audio there's not just one restaurant you can visit every time. The recording will always be prepared by a different chef.

I don't want to comment the rest of your post because personal attacks will lead us nowhere.

Many people I know,use equalizers to "correct"their steaks(or isn't all just FR? ).Personally,I use 11 cartridges on 6 turntables if for any reason(including mood,psychology,audiophoolia etc.....) I want to have some more or less salt&pepper.It's a hobby that I enjoy.Not a torture of perfect numbers.The majority of people who like to listen to music in their homes,do not have treated rooms,accurate rooms,perfect recordings,same tastes............name it,and they don't have it.But in the end,based on their taste and budget,they simply enjoy their imperfect lives.Who do we think we are to call them fools?
You may choose not to reply to the rest of my post,only think about your's for a moment.Calling others ignorant,why?Because they have an opinion that differs from yours?That's everyday life Markus,well at least over here.
If someone has a really nice sounding system,how would you prove he is ignorant?By measuring it?
 
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There is no accurate steak,there is no accurate pizza:D

Of course, like there's only one accurate way to reproduce your favorite pizza. But when you get a greek salad instead, there's no way to make it a pizza. You can change plates, make it warmer or colder, throw it in a blender, add herbs, remove everything except the ingredients for a pizza, it will never taste like your favorite pizza.

Why not just enjoy the greek salad the way it is? That's real appreciation for the art of cooking. If you don't like it, don't eat it.
Will a gold coated plate change how the salad tastes? Some people believe so, although double blind tests have shown that there's no difference.
Some experts in plate coating will tell you that there could be an influence. The coating reacts with some special balsamic dressing. Of course you first have to become a specialist in coating to ask them what all of this has to do with enjoying a meal. But even if you become an expert you're out of luck, they already conclude that only correct application of gold coating is allowed and every plate needs to be tested with that balsamic dressing first.
Why not just use a good old ordinary plate that is big enough for the food on it?
 
Of course, like there's only one accurate way to reproduce your favorite pizza. But when you get a greek salad instead, there's no way to make it a pizza. You can change plates, make it warmer or colder, throw it in a blender, add herbs, remove everything except the ingredients for a pizza, it will never taste like your favorite pizza.

Why not just enjoy the greek salad the way it is? That's real appreciation for the art of cooking. If you don't like it, don't eat it.
Will a gold coated plate change how the salad tastes? Some people believe so, although double blind tests have shown that there's no difference.
Some experts in plate coating will tell you that there could be an influence. The coating reacts with some special balsamic dressing. Of course you first have to become a specialist in coating to ask them what all of this has to do with enjoying a meal. But even if you become an expert you're out of luck, they already conclude that only correct application of gold coating is allowed and every plate needs to be tested with that balsamic dressing first.
Why not just use a good old ordinary plate that is big enough for the food on it?

But I can change in many ways what to me sounds like a bad recording,and bring it closer to my taste.Funny,but you may even agree with my "corrections" of many recordings.
 
Because there's a difference between a fact based opinion and an opinion that is based on belief. kareface did a great job in trying to explain the difference. You might want to re-read his posts.

There is only one fact in reproduced music.TASTE of the individual.No one can force anyone to listen to pathetic recordings as they are served,even by the best chef.There is NO reference in recorded musik.A little more oil makes my Greek salad better for me.Why do you think that I am ignorant?Because I can tell what a bad recording is?I agree in everything with you in theory you know..............But I have to enjoy my investment too,ignoring your ways of enjoying yours.
 
There is only one fact in reproduced music.TASTE of the individual.No one can force anyone to listen to pathetic recordings as they are served,even by the best chef.There is NO reference in recorded musik.A little more oil makes my Greek salad better for me.Why do you think that I am ignorant?Because I can tell what a bad recording is?I agree in everything with you in theory you know..............But I have to enjoy my investment too,ignoring your ways of enjoying yours.

Of course you can do what you want but don't call that accurate. That's all.
 
Of course you can do what you want but don't call that accurate. That's all.

I'm the only one here who went so far as to question the accuracy of recordings and you tell me I have called anything accurate?It is you and some others here who speak of accuracy.You know what else I think?There are no accurate systems at all.Only "accuracy ready" and expecting to prove their accuracy with perfect recordings,in perfect rooms,and to perfect ears.That is....NEVER.
 
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