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Old 5th December 2002, 08:16 PM   #1
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When the team of moderators was assigned, this was a completely lawless forum, and Jason brought on someone to bring in order... that took some tough measures and a tuff times. Now you already know that we are serious and that there are lines to stay inside.

The recent events show that not everybody is happy with a way things go around here and I cannot blame anybody. When I wasn't a moderator and saw a first thread locked I was upset. When I've heard about Cowanrg getting the first sin bin sentence, I was sympathizing with him and I was one of the first to question censorship on this forum. When I become moderator I started to look somewhat different at those events and realised that some of them were necessary and that there is always a thin line between right and wrong. It is very easy to cross it, but it is also very easy to fix when mistake is done.

We would like to hear in this thread your suggestion on how you would like the forum to be managed and what kind of rules you would like to see. If there is enough good input we might even change few things But don't take me on that, the decision belongs to Jason.

I invite a healthy discussion of what you, the members, envision as sensible moderation.
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Old 5th December 2002, 08:40 PM   #2
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Arrow Something for a starting.

I did some thinking this March.
I put down into writing my thoughts at that time.
It could serve as something to discuss around.
Here it is:
Everything below this line is written in March!

- CENSORSHIP - what it could lead to -

In my opinion
censorship requires very great skills
of the controller.
In a website of DIYaudio:s nature, eventual moderation
is function of vital concern.
It influences the very mainstream
of activity in this place.

Selection of moderators must be made with outmost carefulness.

Some credentials:
1. Knowledge of regulations applied for websites, legalities etc.

2. Ability to see things in their right perspective.
Distinguish minor problems from major.

3. Ability to understand what is most benfitial for the inmates
in the long run. I do not say benefitial for DIYaudio,
as this forum consists of its members, the inmates.
- Without us, the inmates, DIYaudio is nothing, zero, finito! -

4. A sane temperament, be calm, not hasty - think before acting.
And not to suffer of personal neuroses getting in way of common sense.

These are some considerations, surely some more points can be added.

So selection of persons is a very important matter.

Could be done by all moderators get together for evaluation,
at a specified day every month or every second month.
There at meeting a democratical decision is made about
new moderators, and critics or EVEN TERMINATION of
individual moderators' duty is suggested.

Result is openly stated at Forum for all community members
to read. There should always be possible to get information
of the monikers that are moderators at a given time.

Withholding of information often leads to division
between those having info and the others having not.
Could even arise suspicion that something is
covered up.

And things that needs cover, are mostly things
that can not stand a view in open daylight.

/halojoy - March 22-2002
Old 5th December 2002, 08:43 PM   #3
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Personally, I think that moderating a forum like this is necessary.

There are so many members from all over the world - ist is absolutely normal that problems appear that have to be solved. The tool for that is moderation.

In my opinion, the difficulties are not the decisions that are taken, but the lack in "transparency". Will say: mostly the "evil" postings and/or threads are gone - deleted, edited or whatever. So the "average" member has only the moderator's statement on what has happened. It would be a good idea to change the chronological order of the actions: first banning/sin bin or what ever, then moderator's comment on the sin bin thread and then, after some time for everybody to read, delete/edit the questionable thread.
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Old 5th December 2002, 09:13 PM   #4
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Im against any kind of censorship. I think the best would be a forum that dont needs any moderator. If there must be moderators because someone installs them, the best would be if they dont do anything unless a mayority of members forces the moderators to act.

Someone in this forum has a signature, the moderators should read.

Authority comes only from knowledge, only because you have the sign "moderator" only fools will have respect . For instance everyone in the board shows respect to Mr. Pass, without he needs to be a moderator or something.

The status of beeing a moderator is artificial, and cant work if the person behind isnt qualified in every way.

I think we cant give a that heavy weight to a unknown person to carry - to be a moderator.

Even a problem is the moderators get more and more - inflation of moderators. Same story as in goverment.

Everyone who is proud of carry the sign "moderator" should ask himshelf if this is a good reason that qualifies him to be one. If it is for him - he should resign. I think its better to trust in "natural" authoritys like NP than in artificail ones - like moderators, politicians or stars.

So far my very subjetive meanigs to this. Feel free to think different, but dont flame me please. Till
Old 5th December 2002, 09:27 PM   #5
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Since this is a thread about opinions, heres mine.

I have almost no trouble accepting the rules as they are today. The rules dealing with porn or language, I do dont matter to me one way or the other. What is sorely needed is an even-hand enforcement of the rules. This will have the big effect in improving the atmosphere on this forum.

I know that this is easier said then done. The most used moderator excuses Ive seen for not applying fair and equal justice is that you dont want to wait too long, or you had to be sure before you acted. The first results in emotional decisions and judgments, the latter results in situations that have now escalated out of control.

My suggestion is to implement a UNDER MODERATION post that does nothing more then let everyone know that they are being monitored. This will give you the time to make a proper decision as to whether to act or not. This UNDER MODERATION post should be very clear and insertable by the moderators exactly at the point of the considered offence without the moderator being named. No one is put on the spot until a decision is made; yet everyone knows they had better watch their Ps and Qs. Everyone involved sees what is happening without name being brought into the mix. This, I believe, would allow most conflicts to self-extinguish before they get a chance to escalate into something stupid.

That my opinion,
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Old 5th December 2002, 09:35 PM   #6
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There are real problems cropping up that I see the moderators trying to combat.

People who truly know what they are talking about and are actually interested in helping others are not that common. When these people are insulted or attacked THEY GO AWAY. We all lose then.

All of us want to be "The Great Man" who others defer to. Ego is very powerfull. Sometimes we let our need to be "right" get in the way of listening to each other.

DIY audio has the potential to degenerate into something very ugly. The truth is that all of us are spoiled brats and would love to be the center of the universe. Luckily most of us have had this nonsense knocked out of us and realize that we can't. The rest are going to get it knocked out one way or the other or else be shown the door. The moderators role in this is to try and nicely show the limits of behavior.

It doesn't help that people keep assigning nasty motives to the actions of the moderators. I am saddened that Dice45 has been so damaged by this that he had to leave. He did much good here both as a member and as a moderator. Based on what has happened to Dice45 in the last week how many of you are willing to step into his shoes? I'm not.

Grow up or go find some other sand box to pee into.

Old 5th December 2002, 10:49 PM   #7
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This is not my suggestion but somebody's from a sinbin which was send to me by e-mail:

>People in the sin bin should be allowed to post in the "everything else" forum. That is my only suggestion.

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Old 5th December 2002, 11:03 PM   #8
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What about a single forum on this place that is unmoderated (an off topic forum). For newsgroups at school they do this. They have the relevant newsgroups for a class, then they have a .flame newsgroup for venting and misc conversation not relative to any of the class subject matter.

If it is clearly stated as not moderated, and off topic, then those who wish to post stupid messages and complain about things can post there. This is different from Everything else, which I think that it should still be moderated. Offensive threads could be moved here without being erased. You could even allow those in the sinbin to post there as previously suggested.

Just a suggestion, and it seems to work for newsgroups. It just seems that if there is a dedicated place for this stuff, then there is less of a chance of it ending up in the on-topic forums. If the on-topic forums start to get far off topic, they offending posts of the thread could be moved there. This is done on newsgroups also.

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That was my suggestion to moderators team. We couldn't decide on a proper name and somehow the topic died.

This would be a perfect place to move all unrelated to audio threads, pics and all noise. If you guys come with a good name, we will make it.

My other suggestion was that someone might be able to chose it as an option and don't see posts on that board: like we choose audio, video or all forums.
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Old 5th December 2002, 11:14 PM   #10
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D'ont like that suggestion very much. Will look like some other forum(You really d'ont want exemple). Where people just flame each other and it would kind of overflow in the main forum and creat even more tension.

Just my opinion...
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