I'd take my B200 over either of my 1772 or A10. Alpair10.2 would trump B200 (unless i was running an OB).
dave
Wow! What amplification did you used? What are the good sides of the B200? Is your tweaked B200 really so good?
I always thought that you were in love with the Alpairs.
Quite a few different amps. Mostly tubed.
Its a pleasant, fairly well behaved, fairly detailed driver that is happy on an OB. Without phase plugs i couldn't live with them, you are alternately trying to find the spot where they are balanced, decrying them because the top is taking off your head, or wondering if a ribbon tweeter could be made to mate with them.
I was not a fan of the original Alpair10, it had some of the same issues as the JX92. The Alpair10.2 is a very different, and much better driver. I prefer the A7 to a 10.2. A7.3 looks to be better yet. There are some very nice Fostex too... i'm thrilled with the new FF85, and the FF125wk looks like it will give me the driver to do aFonken v2 series.
dave
Well, indeed so... Visaton measure their drivers at 0 degree, as far as I know....
I have a pair of B200 in OB
They sound so terrifically musical and well that without exception everybody who hears them in the setup used is impressed
but also i agree on most points raised about them in forums
what did I do to make them shine?
1) painted them backside and frontside with Ennemoser lacquer This made a BIG difference .they sound after that very transparent,musical and precise as if with more focus. The lacquer made them a lot stiffer.
2) EQ ah yes that takes away any shrillness they may possess. now they have a zero flat response between 100hz-10khz. EQ done digitally by DEQX
3) the B200 only plays between 125hz and 8khz with phase linear 60db/oct filters.
4) wooden phase plugs
Still within that range they sound heavenly with modded Jadis tube amps
They sound so terrifically musical and well that without exception everybody who hears them in the setup used is impressed
but also i agree on most points raised about them in forums
what did I do to make them shine?
1) painted them backside and frontside with Ennemoser lacquer This made a BIG difference .they sound after that very transparent,musical and precise as if with more focus. The lacquer made them a lot stiffer.
2) EQ ah yes that takes away any shrillness they may possess. now they have a zero flat response between 100hz-10khz. EQ done digitally by DEQX
3) the B200 only plays between 125hz and 8khz with phase linear 60db/oct filters.
4) wooden phase plugs
Still within that range they sound heavenly with modded Jadis tube amps
You are wrong with B200, it has been used in many OB projects and quite successfully.
Also high SPL does means it will not sound good, there are many drivers, with high SPL eg. Lowther, etc that sound quite good.
I am very impressed with this design.
SOLO 50 mit TL 16 H - Visaton Diskussionsforum
A clearly noticeble improvement to my ears over this one
Visaton - Lautsprecher und Zubehör, Loudspeakers and Accessories
SOLO 50 mit TL 16 H - Visaton Diskussionsforum
A clearly noticeble improvement to my ears over this one
Visaton - Lautsprecher und Zubehör, Loudspeakers and Accessories
Hmm... I believe having two parallel notches may not please some "purist"... I would def want to have an audition though, looks like the shout's gone or tamed.
The B200 is clearly a candidate for ob loading with its high qt. "Vintage"...not sure what you mean. If you mean it has a sloping response then eq it..if it beams at hf which it will as with all "fr" drivers, cross it over to a tweeter. The Visaton tl16 is a cracker.
It's time folk moved on and used the tools available...dsp is cheap as is using more than one amplifier. Enough of subjectivism..bring some objective measured research to the table or just keep pulling levers on the off chance of getting a result!!
It's time folk moved on and used the tools available...dsp is cheap as is using more than one amplifier. Enough of subjectivism..bring some objective measured research to the table or just keep pulling levers on the off chance of getting a result!!
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