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Old 14th April 2011, 08:18 PM   #41
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IMHO Audigy 2 is not up to par with good professional/enthusiast sound cards. It is likely to be better than on-board sound though.

Asus Xonar looks interesting - I am also thinking of getting a Xonar STX or DX sound card. I just checked at Newegg but find the AV100 chip based DX 7.1 and STX is out of stock. the AV200 based cards are there - has Asus disconued the DX and STX?

BTW, most of our discussion is still off topic (though has come back to audio)!
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IMHO Audigy 2 is not up to par with good professional/enthusiast sound cards. It is likely to be better than on-board sound though.

Asus Xonar looks interesting - I am also thinking of getting a Xonar STX or DX sound card. I just checked at Newegg but find the AV100 chip based DX 7.1 and STX is out of stock. the AV200 based cards are there - has Asus disconued the DX and STX?

BTW, most of our discussion is still off topic (though has come back to audio)!
AV100 AV200?
Any differences, new models? Or what?
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Old 15th April 2011, 02:46 PM   #43
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OK, in an effort to reclaim my thread!

Yesterday Ivan pulled all of his speakers into his room, and mine as well, for a quick comparison. And I do mean quick! This was on my lunch break so I didn't have a lot of time available, and he only played the first 30 seconds or so of the same some on each set of speakers, just enough to get the gist of what each pair will do.

A lot of time was taken up by moving speaker wire from one set to the next!

He played "Ain't no Grave" performed by Crooked Still.

One thing that surprised me was how quickly our ears will "normalize" each set of speakers regardless of their differences. Yes, you can hear the differences, but that perception is most defined only during the first minute of listening.

Our favourites were definitely the Saburos. Their range and sense of space was the most impressive. The bass was deep and firm while retaining lots of mid range definition.

The Alpair Studio Reference Monitors would be next. They had the definition and treble, and almost as much bass range, but they suffered in the mid-range.

The CHR70 Pensils were good, but just had less of everything. Anybody would be happy with these as long as they didn't have a pair of Saburos to compare with!

Ivan also ran his little ceramic speakers. These really are diminutive and have a wee little driver. For just winging the design, they are quite credible speakers.

For reference, we had Ivan's first set of loudspeakers, and pair of Paradigm Atoms. For the money, these are quite good commercial units. These produced quite good sound, but felt "tight".

So, now we are hooked! Stay tuned for more.
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Old 9th June 2011, 09:12 PM   #44
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Any news on the Reference Alpair 12 monitors? The build looks damned interesting, I'm probably going to build similar ones this summer to sit on my computer table. Was building them worth it?
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Old 10th June 2011, 02:27 AM   #45
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Any news on the Reference Alpair 12 monitors? The build looks damned interesting, I'm probably going to build similar ones this summer to sit on my computer table. Was building them worth it?
Yes, definitely worth it. They are getting better and better as time goes on. The only real issue, as noted previously, is that the shortcomings of the rest of my system is now unavoidably, painfully, obvious.

I will be starting shortly on the next phase of my speaker project, which is the globes for my Clairtone Project G. I have the plywood in the shop now, but I don't have the time! I have been buried under with my current work project but I am beginning to see the light at the end of that tunnel.

These might be a bit much for computer table speakers. Even though they are much smaller than other Alpair 12 boxes, they are still quite big, especially for a desk top! Maybe try a cardboard mockup first to see if you can live with them on your desk.
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Old 10th June 2011, 04:18 AM   #46
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Its easier than you think (I'm a big fan, and one of the reasons my mac felt so restricting)
Agreed. I was a Windows user since 3.1 and DOS. Switched to Ubuntu Linux about a year or so ago and haven't looked back. I now run it on my PC, my gf's laptop, and have set up at least 3 other people with it so far (who were running corrupt nasty Windows filled with malware etc). It's great.
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Old 10th June 2011, 06:26 AM   #47
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+1 on Douglas' suggestion that even the smallest enclosure into which a Alpair12 could be shoe-horned might be a bit large for most computer desks. It's not necessarily the volume of enclosure required, but the very large mounting bezels of even the Alp7 and CHR70 that compel baffle width dimensions

The largest of the MA drivers that I'd consider for that application would be the A7, or even better the new CHP70.
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Old 10th June 2011, 12:32 PM   #48
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I haven't heard the A12 myself. It does tempt me, but in a recent test in one of the german diy magazines the "waterfallplot" obviously showed a number of resonances in the treble region, which i would expect to be perceived as some hardness. any comments on this?
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Old 10th June 2011, 12:35 PM   #49
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It's not easy going up that high with a medium sized driver without a whizzer.

Controlled breakup, like many full range drivers.

If my pencil 12's ever get here, I'd love to tell you how they sound.

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Old 10th June 2011, 01:07 PM   #50
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Out of interest, which magazine & when? I can't find any references.

CMD plot of Alpair 12 from MJ Magazine of Japan.
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