ultimate source

metebalci · 20th November 2006, 08:12 PM

- Storage: Solid State Storage (SD etc.) connected to FPGA based dev. board.
- Control: Simple controls (play/pause, stop, next, prev) with on board switches.
- Display: No display, maybe a 7-segment.
- Output: Direct SPDIF generation -I should check if it is possible with readily available gpio voltage/current options- or on-chip sigma delta dac with external output filters.
- Clock: Master or slave.

Limited storage

User unfriendly

Absolutely silent ! Bit-perfect ! Jitter ?! Synchronization ?!

What do you think ?

Anyone have attempted to do such thing before ? Anyone wanna try ?

MB

KOON3876 · 20th November 2006, 10:27 PM

http://www.ghielectronics.com/detail...e75b5a3d565943

How about GHI Electronics?
They already have USBThumb MP3 Player. Some Mod (maybe tiny CPLD) will generate I2S signal from WAV file.

ezkcdude · 20th November 2006, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by metebalci
- Output: Direct SPDIF generation -I should check if it is possible with readily available gpio voltage/current options- or on-chip sigma delta dac with external output filters. [/B]

Why would you bother with SPDIF, if you already had the data in the FPGA? You could just output directly to I2S.

metebalci · 21st November 2006, 06:22 AM

Because spdif or aes/ebu is standard on commercial dacs, and I dont want to build my own dac due to smd parts.

Has anyone tried to implement ide/atapi interface ? Is it hard ?

I should search for a dev. board with those kind of connectors/interfaces for audio.

Mete

KOON3876 · 21st November 2006, 06:36 AM

http://www.mikrocontroller.net/artic...MP3/AAC_Player

http://www.k9spud.com/traxmod/

http://www.robotparts.com.au/ump3.htm

I found them.
First guy does not use VS100x (stream processor), generic DAC.
So it means he can generate I2S signal (can be easily converted to SPDIF) from WAV file on SD Card.

KOON3876 · 22nd November 2006, 06:24 AM

I found VS1033,
This is new version of MP3 decoding chips, and it has I2S output.
So If you get one of MP3 DIY players using VS1001 etc then replace to VS1033, you can get WAV(44.1/16) to I2S portable.

VS1033 normally uses 12.88MHz clock (for 48kHz) so it have to be changed.

http://www.vlsi.fi/vs1033/vs1033.shtml

Fenris · 22nd November 2006, 03:49 PM

I was reading the CD player transport thread today and it got me thinking. Then I looked down and saw the thumbdrive and said viola! The things are ubiquitous, very inexpensive, and could hold most of a CD or two of compressed lossless audio. First you rip the CD with CD Paranoia to get the best copy. Then copy to a thumbdrive. This way you have a backup on the hard drive "just in case" as well as the original. Thumbdrives don't care about scratches and fit in pockets easier than CDs, plus you can put whatever mix of music on each one you want. Just USB -> Decoder -> DAC.

tinears02 · 23rd November 2006, 04:21 PM

May I know the link to that cdrom thread?
Is there info in that thread (or another diyaudio thread)
to diy a decoder that takes a thumbdrive and outputs
I2S or spdif?

Thanks for any info.

cheers
tinears02

KOON3876 · 23rd November 2006, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KOON3876
I found VS1033,
This is new version of MP3 decoding chips, and it has I2S output.
So If you get one of MP3 DIY players using VS1001 etc then replace to VS1033, you can get WAV(44.1/16) to I2S portable.

VS1033 normally uses 12.88MHz clock (for 48kHz) so it have to be changed.

http://www.vlsi.fi/vs1033/vs1033.shtml

I got responce from VLSI solution, they say, VS1011, VS1002,VS1003 LQFP48 "slave" design DIY MP3/WAV player can be replaced to VS1033
with tiny modification.

KOON3876 · 24th November 2006, 07:23 PM

This "ultimate source" is an interesting idea. I was thinking in the car for these holidays.

There are some issue.
(1) Read SD card by MCU
Some DIY MP3 player already does it.
I think Daisy MP3 is good base for modify.

(2) make I2S signal
Almost Electrical DIYers does not care it. they are using VS1011 or something (MP3 stream decoder). by using VS1033, it can be done. but...

(3) make I2S signal 44.1kHz/16bit faithful to sourse, high acculate clock
VS1033 contains SRC and output is 48kHz. It can not be acceptable for audio maniacs.
So we need some hardware to make this conversion.

(a) PIC RAM buffer to FIFO
2 x 74HC164 and some glue logic, PIC firmware can do it.
(b) FIFO
SN74V245 is 4K x 18 fifo, $9 at digikey.
(c) FIFO to I2S
11.289MHz(256fs) as master clock, /4(64fs) as bit and counter clock, then 64 state and LRCLK / SDOUT generator (2 x 74HC165+glue logic) will make I2S signal.

Will Anyone try? If I do, it will be from some month later.

20th November 2006, 08:12 PM	#1
metebalci diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Istanbul/TURKEY	ultimate source - Storage: Solid State Storage (SD etc.) connected to FPGA based dev. board. - Control: Simple controls (play/pause, stop, next, prev) with on board switches. - Display: No display, maybe a 7-segment. - Output: Direct SPDIF generation -I should check if it is possible with readily available gpio voltage/current options- or on-chip sigma delta dac with external output filters. - Clock: Master or slave. Limited storage User unfriendly Absolutely silent ! Bit-perfect ! Jitter ?! Synchronization ?! What do you think ? Anyone have attempted to do such thing before ? Anyone wanna try ? MB

22nd November 2006, 03:49 PM	#7
Fenris diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The last frontier	I was reading the CD player transport thread today and it got me thinking. Then I looked down and saw the thumbdrive and said viola! The things are ubiquitous, very inexpensive, and could hold most of a CD or two of compressed lossless audio. First you rip the CD with CD Paranoia to get the best copy. Then copy to a thumbdrive. This way you have a backup on the hard drive "just in case" as well as the original. Thumbdrives don't care about scratches and fit in pockets easier than CDs, plus you can put whatever mix of music on each one you want. Just USB -> Decoder -> DAC. __________________ Listen to the music through the stereo, not the stereo through the music.

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20th November 2006, 10:27 PM	#2
KOON3876 diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2006	http://www.ghielectronics.com/detail...e75b5a3d565943 How about GHI Electronics? They already have USBThumb MP3 Player. Some Mod (maybe tiny CPLD) will generate I2S signal from WAV file.

21st November 2006, 06:22 AM	#4
metebalci diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Istanbul/TURKEY	Because spdif or aes/ebu is standard on commercial dacs, and I dont want to build my own dac due to smd parts. Has anyone tried to implement ide/atapi interface ? Is it hard ? I should search for a dev. board with those kind of connectors/interfaces for audio. Mete

21st November 2006, 06:36 AM	#5
KOON3876 diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2006	http://www.mikrocontroller.net/artic...MP3/AAC_Player http://www.k9spud.com/traxmod/ http://www.robotparts.com.au/ump3.htm I found them. First guy does not use VS100x (stream processor), generic DAC. So it means he can generate I2S signal (can be easily converted to SPDIF) from WAV file on SD Card.

22nd November 2006, 06:24 AM	#6
KOON3876 diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2006	I found VS1033, This is new version of MP3 decoding chips, and it has I2S output. So If you get one of MP3 DIY players using VS1001 etc then replace to VS1033, you can get WAV(44.1/16) to I2S portable. VS1033 normally uses 12.88MHz clock (for 48kHz) so it have to be changed. http://www.vlsi.fi/vs1033/vs1033.shtml

23rd November 2006, 04:21 PM	#8
tinears02 diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: earth	May I know the link to that cdrom thread? Is there info in that thread (or another diyaudio thread) to diy a decoder that takes a thumbdrive and outputs I2S or spdif? Thanks for any info. cheers tinears02

24th November 2006, 07:23 PM	#10
KOON3876 diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2006	This "ultimate source" is an interesting idea. I was thinking in the car for these holidays. There are some issue. (1) Read SD card by MCU Some DIY MP3 player already does it. I think Daisy MP3 is good base for modify. (2) make I2S signal Almost Electrical DIYers does not care it. they are using VS1011 or something (MP3 stream decoder). by using VS1033, it can be done. but... (3) make I2S signal 44.1kHz/16bit faithful to sourse, high acculate clock VS1033 contains SRC and output is 48kHz. It can not be acceptable for audio maniacs. So we need some hardware to make this conversion. (a) PIC RAM buffer to FIFO 2 x 74HC164 and some glue logic, PIC firmware can do it. (b) FIFO SN74V245 is 4K x 18 fifo, $9 at digikey. (c) FIFO to I2S 11.289MHz(256fs) as master clock, /4(64fs) as bit and counter clock, then 64 state and LRCLK / SDOUT generator (2 x 74HC165+glue logic) will make I2S signal. Will Anyone try? If I do, it will be from some month later.