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Old 30th July 2006, 12:25 PM   #11
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There is nothing stopping you. All the information is out there if are prepared to do the research.
I ,for one,have better things to do with my time than create solutions in search of problems.
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Old 30th July 2006, 01:35 PM   #12
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The SACD and DVD-A hardly give the consumer much freedom. The CD, on the other hand, does offer control and portability, and mp3 is our open source format.

But lets get to the real issues. Even if we ignore all the other obstacles, the open source community has often been its own biggest enemy. I'm no fan of Microsoft, but despite being this colossus, it's the most progressive software manufacturer out there when it comes to interaction design. Techies and engineers have proven they are incapable of making usable software for anyone but techies and engineers. This is my favourite clueless techie quote:

"The question remains though, whether AOL can overcome the reputation as consumer-oriented business. This will determine whether Case's hopes for penetrating the e-commerce market will succeed. The Sun phase of the deal may be enough to reassure the hardcore techies who worries about what a consumer outfit like AOL might do to the technically oriented Netscape operation."

The quote is from the Networker Magazine, March 1999.

I want nothing to do with the backward and narrow-minded people in the open source community. They would have had something to offer if this had been the 1970s, when the PC looked like a good idea. And they will remain dinosaurs until they start to evolve.

Open source might still have a future, but then only as a niche for a small group of music nerds. Everybody else will stay away, as they do from Firefox and Linux. (Make no mistake. I would love to see a Firefox and Linux OS that doesn't suck. But I know that won't happen in my lifetime.) Not that Firefox and Linux matter in this post-PC world. A decade from now nobody is going to have a PC in their home and probably not even in the workplace. The Japanese skipped the PC and jumped directly to the cell phone. And everything we see in Japan we see here a decade later.
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Old 30th July 2006, 02:32 PM   #13
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The Japanese skipped the PC and jumped directly to the cell phone. And everything we see in Japan we see here a decade later.
You're joking, right? I have lived there and visit frequently and have witnessed with my own eyes the pile up of PCs on people's desks and in unused corners of offices (it costs too much to have it hauled away, so they pile it up). The truth is they are about 10 years behind the US when it comes to PCs. They were very slow to adopt the PC because they couldn't handle the added productivity. Japan has very poor social welfare and the sudden jump in productivity that would have occured would have put a lot of people out of work. After the stock market/real estate crash in 91/92 and a lot of people were thrown out of work anyway, they were free to start computerizing.

Cell phones replace PCs? You can't be serious. Have you ever tried to do any useful work on a cell phone? I don't think there are millions of Japanese designing buildings, putting together power-point presentations, editing audio/video/photos and a zillion other apps on their cell phones, and I don't think they ever will.

Japanese cell phone system technology is generally better than the US, mainly because of the over-population/density of Japan. The entire country is about the size of California, but has early the same population as the US. If you werre going to install a system to provide nation-wide cell coverage for everyone, where do you think it would be cheaper to do so?

As far as seeing things here a decade after the Japanese- you're dead wrong. The US market was the driving force for most Japanese manufacturing for many years. They made stuff for export that you simply did not find in Japan. I first moved to Japan in the late 80s. At the time I expected to see the place looking like something from 20 years in the future. When I got there I found it was essentially a third-world country in terms of the way people lived. They were sending all the cool stuff to the US and using almost none of it. You could buy Japanese products in the US cheaper than you could get them in Japan. Now, snce many of Japan's manufacturing jobs have gone overseas and the government has put policies to promote domestic consumption in place, there seems to be more of a balance between Japan and the US with regard to technology use.

Get real, dude!

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Old 30th July 2006, 02:42 PM   #14
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You better get real. How can you be behind in an area that is obsolete? The PC is the past. Get over it.

Japan, Korea and Taiwan are where the action is. America and Europe are lagging.
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Old 30th July 2006, 02:49 PM   #15
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When the Japanese can run CR5000 or Visula on a mobile phone, I might just take this mobile-phone-as-the-future-of-computing lark seriously.
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Old 30th July 2006, 03:04 PM   #16
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Nobody is comparing computers to a cell phone. Writing a simple Word document would be a chore in a cell phone.

The word "computer" isn't very useful nowadays. Most electronic applications today are computers that perform limited and specialized tasks.
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Nobody is comparing computers to a cell phone. Writing a simple Word document would be a chore in a cell phone.

The word "computer" isn't very useful nowadays. Most electronic applications today are computers that perform limited and specialized tasks.

Since you have declared the PC obsolete what are we going to run our programs on?
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Once we can define a target hardware, then we can start talking about software. This hardware could be something derived from a commerical product.

It could be derived from something that is partially open already.
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Old 30th July 2006, 03:46 PM   #19
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Once we can define a target hardware, then we can start talking about software. This hardware could be something derived from a commerical product.

It could be derived from something that is partially open already.

Let me see if I have this right.
You wish to take a system that functions adequately using readily available hardware and throw that out. You would then replace it with an over-specified non specific system that has to be bent in to doing a task for which there already exists perfectly adequate hardware just so you can place a layer of unnecessary software on top.
So instead of i.e. receiver - filter/dac - output stage, I would have each section beholden to some lump running software merrily meddling with the dataflow.

To think I thought the people who came up with the Zone Phone had gone away.
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Old 30th July 2006, 03:53 PM   #20
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Since you have declared the PC obsolete what are we going to run our programs on?
You are making the same mistake as the open source community. Most people don't use CR5000 and Visula. You probably own a scope. And you are probably one of those that are going to have use for a PC. Most people don't.
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