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Old 25th January 2013, 07:32 AM   #2241
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Old 25th January 2013, 06:15 PM   #2242
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While waiting for the Si570 Clock-Board...

...here is what I believe I am hearing after one week of operation (not sure if burn-in is yet complete):

(Setup: Alix-A1 with MPDPUP+SoTM-Usb-Card-->WavioIO-->Fifo--> Dual Mono BIII-->Broskie-Unbalancer; Wavio to FIFO through the card's isolator; Wave-IO power by LT1085 while FiFO powered by Placid-HD-Shunt-PSU. Normal Cables (not U.-FL) provided with the FIFO-Kit used to connect WaveIO with FifO and with Buffalo-Boards. Dul-XO-Board with two Crystek 957 @22.x and 24.x)

....what I hear:

A much more analog sound. The tonality is warmer, richer, less technical. The positioning right and left is much better, but maybe a little flatter, not so deep space. Flow of music is more "natural" and liquid. Clearly it goes in the right direction.

What I currently feel on the other handside is: A very small loss of dynamics and attack. A little bit of "air" and space seems to be gone. Somehow it reminds me of some compression-effects I had when using power-line-filters compared to no filters. It plays now like a very controlled, civilized musician vs Joe Coecker before (a little rough and wrong before, but really dynamic). Strange.

So, obviously I want to get the handbrake out of the way...any thoughts on this or similar experiences ?

What I could imagine to try out:
- Improve the cables between WaveIO and FiFO and BIII: Get rid of the normal Kit-Cables and use either pure silver-gold-cables from Mundorf (which I used before to connect WaveIO with BIII) or try U.FL instead
- Battery-Supply instead of the Placid-HD shunt-supply

Any opinions / hints ? Similar experiences ?

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Old 25th January 2013, 06:20 PM   #2243
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Old 25th January 2013, 06:26 PM   #2244
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I will as well. Nevertheless the sound of digital cables is as much different as analog ones.
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OK! Uplink fifo - forget it.
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Old 25th January 2013, 06:51 PM   #2246
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Old 25th January 2013, 07:03 PM   #2247
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What I currently feel on the other handside is: A very small loss of dynamics and attack. A little bit of "air" and space seems to be gone. Somehow it reminds me of some compression-effects I had when using power-line-filters compared to no filters. It plays now like a very controlled, civilized musician vs Joe Cocker before (a little rough and wrong before, but really dynamic). Strange.
These are the typical reactions I hear when extraneous RF junk and powerline noise is removed. Putting the noise back usually makes users happy if they want the "dynamics" but it leaves a big question about the accuracy of the system. I would suggest listening to well recorded cymbal crashes for the separation of the transients and the tail to get a clear idea of which is more accurate. Paul Stubblebine of the Tape Project and a very good mastering engineer, showed me this trick. One common pitfall is to "tune/balance" a system, lowering the highs, to compensate for the extra HF grunge. Removing grunge usually requires a complete reevaluation of everything.
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These are the typical reactions I hear when extraneous RF junk and powerline noise is removed. Putting the noise back usually makes users happy if they....
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Old 25th January 2013, 08:45 PM   #2249
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No, there is no way back. It is in many ways more accurate and natural. But typically when something gots right you do not loose another dimension. It simply gets stuff right. I will experiment and get back to you.
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While waiting for the Si570 Clock-Board...

...here is what I believe I am hearing after one week of operation (not sure if burn-in is yet complete):

(Setup: Alix-A1 with MPDPUP+SoTM-Usb-Card-->WavioIO-->Fifo--> Dual Mono BIII-->Broskie-Unbalancer; Wavio to FIFO through the card's isolator; Wave-IO power by LT1085 while FiFO powered by Placid-HD-Shunt-PSU. Normal Cables (not U.-FL) provided with the FIFO-Kit used to connect WaveIO with FifO and with Buffalo-Boards. Dul-XO-Board with two Crystek 957 @22.x and 24.x)
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So, obviously I want to get the handbrake out of the way...any thoughts on this or similar experiences ?

What I could imagine to try out:
- Improve the cables between WaveIO and FiFO and BIII: Get rid of the normal Kit-Cables and use either pure silver-gold-cables from Mundorf (which I used before to connect WaveIO with BIII) or try U.FL instead
- Battery-Supply instead of the Placid-HD shunt-supply

Any opinions / hints ? Similar experiences ?

Best Regards
Faster clocks first. Battery power supplies later.

There was this post not long ago in the FIFO GB thread that might help you try faster CCHD957 clocks

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Hi,
I ordered wrongly the Crystek clocks: HCMOS 45.xx/49.xx Is anybody interested or willing to swap for two Crystek HCMOS 22.xx/24.xx ?
Please P.M.,
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