12,000W Amp with DSP for $599?

[abcdmku]

Yep 12,000 Watts... Behringer announced the iNuke12000DSP! I own the iNuke3000DSP and its very reliable, the DSP is veryyyy helpful with the crossovers, and power limiting. I can't believe Behringer is doing a 12,000 watt amp with two 6000w 2 Ohm channels, and weighs less than 18 pounds! I can't find any gossip of a price, but if it follows the tend it should be sold for $599??

I've seen cheaper prices for these amps, but these are the popular prices:

iNuke1000DSP - $299
iNuke3000DSP - $399
iNuke6000DSP - $499
iNuke12000DSP - $599?

Has anyone else heard anything about this amp?

Originally Posted by abcdmku

Behringer now shows the iNuke12000 (non-DSP) version on the product list, and added both the 12000DSP and non DSP to the brochure.

Like the other Non-DSP models, This has a crossover switch fixed at 100 Hz on the back, which can be very helpful still. (seen in the Picture below)

Other than that, we find out the real weight of it:

"NU12000DSP
Ultra-Lightweight, High-Density
12000-Watt Power Amplifier with
DSP Control and USB Interface
Delivers 2 x 6000 Watts into 4 Ohms,
2 x 3000 Watts into 8 Ohms and
weighs less than 18 lbs / 8.2 kg"

The part where it says "2 x 6000 Watts into 4 Ohms, and 2 x 3000 Watts into 8 Ohms" conflicts with the power ratings on the back of the unit [in the 3D render] Seen below:




Here's a link to the brochure:
http://www.behringer.com/assets/NU10...ebBrochure.pdf

iNuke12000:
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/NU12000.aspx

iNuke12000DSP:
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/NU12000DSP.aspx

Originally Posted by raintalk

Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A - Page 21

Uli says "Upon request from professional touring sound companies, we just launched a very powerful 12,000 Watt version which basically contains two NU6000 amps in a 2U case."

Aha - so it's two NU6000 amps, must be some mods to get to be stable at 2 ohms per side.

"... we are currently testing some low-noise fans and are positive to be able to improve this aspect."

Later, he makes a note of the nu4-6000
"We are currently studying the market demand for a 4-channel DSP version in order to evaluate if such a model would justify the R&D investment. It would be great to get some feedback here."

Looks like new things are coming.

Originally Posted by momomo67890

someone posted a picture from somewhere with the map price @ 899 without dsp 999 with.

Originally Posted by raintalk

From the Behringer NU6000 Spec sheet
RMS:
1100w @ 8ohm per channel, stereo
2200w @ 4ohm per channel, stereo

And that matches measurements on the other forum.
So really, this is very likely the same amp,
4400w @ 2ohm
Beefed up power supply and cooling and rated down to 2 ohms per channel.

Originally Posted by ViennaTom

The iNuke 6000 does not do 6000W (although the power is unheard of at THAT price level):
http://forum.speakerplans.com/behrin...opic69202.html

So I would not expect the iNuke12000 to do 12000W.

Besides: With the iNuke6k, they saved money by omitting the PFC circuit, which can - but need not - be a problem to the ac supply. Better to have a PFC to prevent any 80A current peaks and the like.

Originally Posted by abcdmku

The iNuke12000 dosen't use an IEC, but a PowerCON.

Originally Posted by raintalk

That is a PowerCon @ 32 A (240v)

[momomo67890]

$899

[abcdmku]

That makes more sense, where did you find that?

[DSP_Geek]

They have GOT to be kidding. The 6000 watt amp is fed by an IEC connector?

Assuming 100% efficiency in the power supply and output section, 6000 watts is 50 amps at 120 volts. At a more reasonable 83% wall-to-speaker efficiency, that's 60 amps. As a point of reference, an IEC is specified for 10 or 15 amps -- you'd melt that little thing right off the back panel.

Then the amp has to dump 1000 watts of heat; good luck with that little fan.

I ain't convinced.

[momomo67890]

Originally Posted by DSP_Geek

They have GOT to be kidding. The 6000 watt amp is fed by an IEC connector?

Assuming 100% efficiency in the power supply and output section, 6000 watts is 50 amps at 120 volts. At a more reasonable 83% wall-to-speaker efficiency, that's 60 amps. As a point of reference, an IEC is specified for 10 or 15 amps -- you'd melt that little thing right off the back panel.

Then the amp has to dump 1000 watts of heat; good luck with that little fan.

I ain't convinced.

or a 220v 30 amp

someone posted a picture from somewhere with the map price @ 899 without dsp 999 with.

[Workhorse]

As usual, snake oil from Behringer.....

IEC connector and absence of PFC speaks alot for the flicks in this amp

[sevenup2278]

This amp does 4x4000W

AC Power input in Three Phase mode 3x 400V (25A**) no Neutral connection needed
AC Power input in Single Phase mode 230V (63A**)

PKN Controls

[ViennaTom]

The iNuke 6000 does not do 6000W (although the power is unheard of at THAT price level):
http://forum.speakerplans.com/behringer ... 69202.html

So I would not expect the iNuke12000 to do 12000W.

Besides: With the iNuke6k, they saved money by omitting the PFC circuit, which can - but need not - be a problem to the ac supply. Better to have a PFC to prevent any 80A current peaks and the like.

[ViennaTom]

ups.
here is the correct link:

Behringer inuke NU6000 vs KAM KXD7200 bench tested - Speakerplans.com Forums - Page 1

[abcdmku]

Originally Posted by DSP_Geek

They have GOT to be kidding. The 6000 watt amp is fed by an IEC connector?

Assuming 100% efficiency in the power supply and output section, 6000 watts is 50 amps at 120 volts. At a more reasonable 83% wall-to-speaker efficiency, that's 60 amps. As a point of reference, an IEC is specified for 10 or 15 amps -- you'd melt that little thing right off the back panel.

Then the amp has to dump 1000 watts of heat; good luck with that little fan.

I ain't convinced.

The iNuke12000 dosen't use an IEC, but a PowerCON. As far as fans go two fans according to the pictures:



For the thermal buildup, the iNukes are very good with low heat, I had my iNuke3000DSP running a 4 ohm channel at max power to a dual 18 (aprox 600w RMS) and a 2 ohm channel to 2x dual 10" Folded Horns (aprox 900w RMS) and I felt no heat on the amp.

The iNuke6000:
"USA / Canada 120V~, 60Hz (25A)
UK / Australia / Europe 220-240 V~, 50/60 Hz, (12A)
Korea / China 220-240 V~, 50/60 Hz,(12A)
Japan 100 V~, 50/60 Hz, (25A)"