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The Wireless World Archive, Bass without big baffles
The modern circuit (link below with op-amp graveyard) has far more parts than the first circuit (link above with just a few tubes). HeadWize - Project: The Psychoacoustic Bass Enhancer by Jan Meier How would I do a low parts count transistor/chip ultrabass circuit to help a 3" speaker? The tube circuit looks okay, except that I've got battery power. Help?
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Switzerland
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If you have access to the JAES then this article might be of interest. They made an evaluation of different mathematical functions used to generate harmonics for bass augmentation using the residual effect.
AES E-Library Perceptually-Motivated Objective Grading of Nonlinear Processing in Virtual-Bass Systems They checked for both, the enhancement of bass tones and the negative influence on signals that should not be affected by the circuit (like soprano voice for instance). Regards Charles |
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Dynavector used to have a similar virtual bass system, subjectively deep (but not punchy) bass coming from minuscule speakers.
Edit: I found the article on SuperStereo from the late Dr Tominari: http://web.onetel.com/~dynavector/hi-fidelity.htm I was lucky enough to having spent an evening with him in 1995 in Tokyo. He demonstrated me the SuperStereo system, among others. He was a very nice person, and one of the greatest inventors in audio. Last edited by oshifis; 28th September 2012 at 08:39 AM. |
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I didn't have access to JAES. The Dynavector also didn't have a schematic.
Any cool low parts count schematics suitable for battery operation?
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Go for the real thing
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3" paper full range with 1mm x-max has 2 options:
Ultrabass for compact enclosures (fake the low bass, avoid the x-max) Or, Voight Half Wave enclosure (make a really big box do the bass) And, I'm doing a little portable. It can't have a big box. From the link in post 1 above: Like the original tube ultrabass article states "Bass without big baffles" is what I'm after, in a little portable speaker. Same as big bass without big box. Jan Meier's op-amp graveyard looks like it could do the job with a high component count for it, but the original tube circuit demonstrates that it could possibly be done, much more simply, with about 5 fets. I'm just not quite good enough with design to convert the tube circuit to solid state.
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I have the JAES article. Too much math for me but PM me with an Email......
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I was rather hoping for schematics; however, that article has information that could be used for programming the DSP of a radio station processor to dramatically increase broadcast range by omitting the power hogging bass fundamental. This is a bit too complex for my little portable. And the article has no schematics--the writers went big on the blather but short on the application. What could run and simultaneously apply those equations is a DSP or nanocomputer, but I'm not using one of those. It is really too bad for the radio people that the LP curves weren't used for FM radios, since bass boost in the receiver would have taken the load off the transmitter. And I've no idea how they managed to again forget the needs of the transmitter when making the transition to digital, and they did even worse. Probably there's several pagefulls of equations that explain it all to someone, and if we could read it, then it would look just like an excuse.
The tube circuit in post 1 shows doing Ultrabass simply with a few actives; however, I need a simple low parts count schematic suited to battery power.
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Anyway, I'll try to make the conversion one of these days.
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Oh wow! Thank you!
For reference, the portable can actually reach 80hz. But it is okay if the ultrabass circuit rolls off the "real" bass at 100hz and then fakes the pitches below that. The work would fit a wider variety of projects and there'd be less x-max. Ah, I should mention: Average plastic mini full range = 100hz Average paper mini full range = 150hz Probably need a plastic/paper optional settings. The actual important things for outcome are to reduce x-max, get some anti-boomy harmonic freshness on the bass and not really modify the treble. In exchanging one noise for another, the ultrabass is a prettier noise than a boomy little speaker. The fake thunder circuit has a known effect on low pitched male voice, not bad, but rather like the extra harmonics that could be done if smiling while talking. Ever want a really rockin table radio?
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