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Old 12th March 2010, 02:24 PM   #161
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another circuit did not share that 10ohm 'gnd breaker' idea. but all of my 3 pga builds have had this heatup stuff happen.
My design has a ferrite bead inductor with virtually zero resistance. Its just like the datasheet recommends. Moreover, the datasheet tells nothing about possible issues due to ground splitting.

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I did swap inputs and that might have been significant.
That could POTENTIALLY initiate an oscillation, which is also not the case, because both times it happened to me - it happened while nobody touched inputs or outputs. But seems that you managed to detect the heat-up in time, so none of your IC went dead? I wasn't so lucky.
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perhaps shorting some inputs (1/4" trs plug siding thru the shorting metal jack) would cause it go freak out somehow? I stopped using rca plugs and have gone to stereo TRS to carry my line levels. you can't use trs's without shorting as they are just that way when you insert or remove them. this is the only thing I can think of;
This shouldn't be, or at least, if it's the case - it should be a repeated issue - EVERY shorting should cause the freak-out then... But it does not.

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and it still does not explain the freak-outs that happen all on their own (no jacks being changed).
Exactly this is what I am talking about. No visible systematic cause. My device was working just fine for a month, then died suddenly, during one night. The fact of it's random occurance makes me thinking that we have found a bug in the IC. As for me, I'm pretty sure, because even if we did something wrong, this should be explicitely stated somewhere in the datasheet or other documentation, should be at least a warning, that SUCH A CASE CAN OCCUR! For me there's nothing wrong if the chip hangs up once a month, but totally unacceptable, that such a condition can damage the device, and it's not even stated anywhere.
So far, as potential counter-measuers, I'm going to apply a CLC mains filter and better filtering for digital power rails of PGA. Also thinkin' about shorting inputs to ground when in standby.

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Old 12th March 2010, 10:57 PM   #162
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sadly, I have not done enough fault isolation. ALL my builds have been mostly done just so I can do some driver development (lol) and so if the volume varied at all, my proto was good enough for me but I did do an rmaa test on one of mine and it came in as clean as the base equip (RME firewire box as the a/d and d/a). it was impressive and I was hopeful. I ran a few variants of the chip on some test hardware and lived with it for months and months. usually, it would keep working fine; but sometimes the 'overheating' thing would happen and I could hear it very clearly (shot noise and no audio) in the speaker. that would trigger me to get on my feet and yank power out I don't think I fried any chips but I certainly thought I did, many times.

I always blamed my perf board layouts or bad local bypass electros or the rail splitter (TLE) or something. I think my software was ok (lol) but I never ever trusted my own hacked up power supplies.

I do think this chip series has great potential; but I also think there's a lot more tlc needed to get it running and running *well* and I wasn't in the right stage of my project to throw lots of time at this (I went with a relay approach; for now; deferring the pga until the relay stuff was done)

one of my next trials was to see if any of the packaged dc-dc's would take my nice 5v and make 2 'analog fives' from it that are clean enough (once some filtering happens) to be used. I really don't like having to supply a dual rail, especially since boxes like this are more digital control than analog and 5v rules here. I never put time into playing with those dc-dc's and filters but that would be my next move. I'm still not sure the TLE that I used was all that great of an idea.
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Old 13th March 2010, 06:35 PM   #163
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50-Step Shunt Attenuator Resistor Calculator - Neville Roberts
and choose 32 steps , then you calculate resistors in parallel to fit in 6 relay combination .
And at the end you will find my value !
Thank you for the information Danzup.

I was further analysing your shunt circuit, but find the variance between the steps rather wide and variable. I probably missed something

What I did was calculating all possible resistor combinations using your values (10, 100, 470, 4700 and 10k) for the resistors. Then I sorted them according to their attenuation factor and tried to select the interesting steps (in the beginning and the end 6 and 4 dB allowed, in the middle preferably 2 - 3 dB steps).
The thing is: I can hardly find 32 steps that are significant and usable (I'm not going to use < 1dB steps suddenly followed by a 4dB step for example..).

Attached my excel sheet with a graph showing the variance for each step called "Step(1->12)" varying up to 11dB and the total attenuation called "Att(0->70)"

Do you have a similar varying step-size?

Thanks for your help!
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Old 15th March 2010, 10:45 AM   #164
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Default Tone Control

Hi
This week end I finished passive preamp with tone control.
Original source code by danzup I took here
Yet another Volume controlers and source selections

Thanks Dan for the original passive preamp schematic
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Old 15th March 2010, 10:56 AM   #165
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Old 15th March 2010, 05:09 PM   #166
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Congratulation !
How do the passive tone controller sound ?
Mine not ready , as I am involved now in another urgent project !
I see you only connected the + dB side ...
I must find time for finishing this project .
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Danzup, it sounds good! I like it!!!

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Old 16th March 2010, 07:32 AM   #168
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Passive Tone Control will be provided by following modules .
The micro-controller will be atmel atmega 16 with LCD , IR ,encoder and switches .
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Old 16th March 2010, 08:49 AM   #169
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And the controller part :
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Linuxworks, don't you remember what supply did you use to power digital part of your projects?
it sounds funny, but I never cared as much; as long as the device worked at all and I was able to live with it and see my software run, I was mostly happy the focus of my work was more firmware and UI and this device was just a way to verify that things worked in reality. I hoped that I'd get time to try real pcb's (all my protos were perf or very hacked pcb) and that there would be more attention to the PSU and layout and all that. I felt that could be worked out but that my time was better spent playing in the firmware area.

I can't really say that the device has issues or its just very sensitive to 'environment' and that I knew I had a sloppy environ and so I never went beyond that to figure it out. the TLE rail splitter (I think I always used that, btw) seemed to get hot during these strange periods and I mostly thought it could be a bad use of those in this application. I never had a true bipolar PSU, I derived gnd from the TLE railsplitter chip.

I'm not really an analog guy (as you could guess) and so nothing could be implied by working or not-working on any perf version I throw together I was surprised things worked at all, to be honest.

but what I can say is: things would be fine for a long time. for days and weeks I'd use my software and this vol control chip and things sounded 'fine' to me. then, some burst of static and nothing I could do via the software would bring it out, only a power down, wait, power up. then things were fine. after a while I stopped doing firmware updates (I liked the code the way it was) and then just became a user of the device. again, weeks and weeks would go by without any problem until the static and mandatory reboot was needed.
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