despotic931,
Make sure Jon includes his EnABL'd PM6A's in that demo. Then you will know what it is and why we do this silly looking procedure. These are sensationally good speakers, right out of the box, even without the polka dots. That's why I own a pair and still haven't put the patterns on.
Bud
Make sure Jon includes his EnABL'd PM6A's in that demo. Then you will know what it is and why we do this silly looking procedure. These are sensationally good speakers, right out of the box, even without the polka dots. That's why I own a pair and still haven't put the patterns on.
Bud
BudP said:
I'd like to try and test the EnABL technique myself. Although it sets off my ******** detector, I see a way that the physics could in fact potentially work the way it's claimed. So I'd like to try and measure.
Is it really anything much more than painting the little dashes on the cone boundaries with a little Testors in your Favorite Color? ;-)
[NM, found the MegaThread on the subject]
xiphmont
Well, I should hope it sets off your BS detector. Means your still alive. All aboard that mad thread are just exhausted with the thing. And, we are only just now getting around to some serious testing.
Also, go here and read what Alex has to say. Your shorts will really be in a twist after he is done with you.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116773
Bud
Well, I should hope it sets off your BS detector. Means your still alive. All aboard that mad thread are just exhausted with the thing. And, we are only just now getting around to some serious testing.
Also, go here and read what Alex has to say. Your shorts will really be in a twist after he is done with you.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116773
Bud
BudP said:
...why didn't he just use aluminum tape...? You can even get it in the tiny thin width the 'dots' should be.
Anyway, I still see no measurement, no careful testing, no graphs, no ABX... what's there to get my panties in a twist about? All this effort and not yet any solid information. Sigh. I'm half-tempted to make a post about putting EnABL dots on speaker cables and pets.
Jury's still out in my head, but talk about sound and fury....
...time to pull out the calibrated microphones.
BudP said:
Well, I need to do some new cabinet/driver measurement anyway. I'll toss this on the heap of things to try out. Like I said; this one is one of the incredible claims where I look at the physics and think, "hm, OK, that *might* have an audible effect." I don't believe it yet, but I'm interested enough to try it.
First off, thanks for the advise, its appreciated.
My very first set of speakers will be a small set of OB bookshelves, ala ttan98's recommendation. I remembered that I have a set of unknown speakers sitting in the cupboard, somebody had destroyed the rest of the box (don't ask, I don't know
), so they're basically OB already. A lick of paint and a stand and we're in business.
Because that's a sweetly cheap option, I'm leaning towards a miniOnken as the bedroom speakers. The FR125's are a bit easier to find down here (more accurately, I know of one place that sells them and a place to get some second hand...).
Still feeling a little overwhelmed with options for the bigger room, so I'll finish the OB and miniOnken and then decide where I want to go from there.
My very first set of speakers will be a small set of OB bookshelves, ala ttan98's recommendation. I remembered that I have a set of unknown speakers sitting in the cupboard, somebody had destroyed the rest of the box (don't ask, I don't know
), so they're basically OB already. A lick of paint and a stand and we're in business.Because that's a sweetly cheap option, I'm leaning towards a miniOnken as the bedroom speakers. The FR125's are a bit easier to find down here (more accurately, I know of one place that sells them and a place to get some second hand...).
Still feeling a little overwhelmed with options for the bigger room, so I'll finish the OB and miniOnken and then decide where I want to go from there.
FWIW, I really liked the Needles I built:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=47403
Easy and cheap, too.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=47403
Easy and cheap, too.
xiphmont ,
When you get to that point, please contact me for pre flight check out. There is a relatively narrow window of number of pattern blocks that will work and some driver specific placement of the blocks, to know about.
I can usually do a virtual pattern,on a driver picture, for drivers I have not treated. There are a growing number of treatment teachings and paper doll cut out, pattern guides, for specific drivers, on the forum.
Secips,
You are certainly welcome to the information. I just hope it proves useful to you.
Bud
When you get to that point, please contact me for pre flight check out. There is a relatively narrow window of number of pattern blocks that will work and some driver specific placement of the blocks, to know about.
I can usually do a virtual pattern,on a driver picture, for drivers I have not treated. There are a growing number of treatment teachings and paper doll cut out, pattern guides, for specific drivers, on the forum.
Secips,
You are certainly welcome to the information. I just hope it proves useful to you.
Bud
schro20 said:
What's a good way to decide which of these are most appealing short of building all of them...
Peter
Properly executed, any of them will sound excellent - I'd suggest that if there's WAF to be considered, that you consider the estimated finished enclosure size and location as a prime factor in your calculus.
xiphmont....
try the "Sam Tellig" $1.20 "trick". Then tell me about the "magic" and BS.
I haven't tried the EnABL process, but knowing some of these folks personally. if they say there is an improvement, I'd at least contemplate it.
If the $1.20 "trick" doesn't work for you, then perhaps your hearing has dropped off quite a bit. Everyone that I have done this too come away completely amazed, and all were doubting anything could be heard, until they did.
stew
try the "Sam Tellig" $1.20 "trick". Then tell me about the "magic" and BS.
I haven't tried the EnABL process, but knowing some of these folks personally. if they say there is an improvement, I'd at least contemplate it.
If the $1.20 "trick" doesn't work for you, then perhaps your hearing has dropped off quite a bit. Everyone that I have done this too come away completely amazed, and all were doubting anything could be heard, until they did.
stew
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