Do you ever see woofers going in and out like that when the TT isn't playing but the phono is on and selected by the way?
No, the woofers don't move with phono selected and not playing music.
Looks like a bad cap somewhere
PSU cap is ok see attached measurement, can be the heater elevated cap?
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Unlikely but test it. I havent followed all posts here but I think I saw (I might be wrong) fairly long twisted pairs from regs which you may try shorten or capping.
Higher frequency noice is likely oscillation between components (caps, inductors, tubes, wires etc). Salas wondered about woofer movements which is indications of low frequency motorboating oscillations, but you say you hear higher freq artifacts. Oscillations can follow the whole scale from near DC to GHz.
Higher frequency noice is likely oscillation between components (caps, inductors, tubes, wires etc). Salas wondered about woofer movements which is indications of low frequency motorboating oscillations, but you say you hear higher freq artifacts. Oscillations can follow the whole scale from near DC to GHz.
It would be easyest if you found that HF wiggle on the scope and tell us where it is. If you hear it it should be within any scopes time domain.
The scope line only moves at 10mV/cm and 5mV, time base don't related, moves at all mS sets.
Salas both channels loaded with 100K the scope still goes up & down.
That's with scope in DC coupling or AC coupling?
Attached DVM set to AC measurement, both outputs loaded with 100K resistors.
149 mV is from my perspective a very stable rail when we are talking HV.
That's with scope in DC coupling or AC coupling?
AC coupling probe set 1x
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149 mV is from my perspective a very stable rail when we are talking HV.
I read somewhere for preamp 3mV or ripple is OK not using any kind of regulator.
I read somewhere for preamp 3mV or ripple is OK not using any kind of regulator.
I would say that is a question of which ripple we are talking about. If it was in the audible frequency spectra 20-20000 Hz it would be to much for this application. This is not that kind of ripple that is regulated in a AC to DC filter, this is low frequency rail voltage variation usualy caused by tempdrift in active regulations or in passive filters often by variations in the grid.
That itself would not be causing what you hear when you say high frequency disturbances. It could of course be a secondary symptom of it.
Hi Merlin,
I guess the question is what exactly are you hearing? I've not followed the thread lately, but apparently it is not 100Hz ripple on the rails. Possible ground loop issue? Can you show us exactly how you have routed ground and where it is connected to chassis, RCA jacks, etc.?
I guess the question is what exactly are you hearing? I've not followed the thread lately, but apparently it is not 100Hz ripple on the rails. Possible ground loop issue? Can you show us exactly how you have routed ground and where it is connected to chassis, RCA jacks, etc.?
For a solution we must know the problem first. Where is ripple of any frequency on the scope scan? Is there any? AC coupled and moving the flat trace up and down slowly can't be DC because there is a capacitor on the scope's input. Can it be riding on 50HZ hum? No, its not periodic and its not fast enough. Being the same all over the time scale can it be the scope's vertical sync is bit unstable on noise or an old part inside it playing up? Maybe. Tells us nothing secure as an onscreen movement when no woofer movement follows it.
Thanks guys, attached pics of grounding.
Left pic SLB connected to chassis
Left centered pic mains PSU cap ground connect to SLB
Right centered pic signal ground from Itch to SLB
Right pic mains earth coming from PSU chassis connected to Itch chassis
Left pic SLB connected to chassis
Left centered pic mains PSU cap ground connect to SLB
Right centered pic signal ground from Itch to SLB
Right pic mains earth coming from PSU chassis connected to Itch chassis
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AC coupling probe set 1x
At 1x in a tubes circuit the probe can end up in danger. At 10x has its full DC+AC rating. Use 10x where it has its full MHZ also and its more protected.
AC coupled and moving the flat trace up and down slowly can't be DC because there is a capacitor on the scope's input.
It can happen to me sometimes on older scopes on AC setting that the scope kind of cant decide if its an AC or DC signal. I guess its when the variations are in the low frequency borderland for the cap to charge and discharge and the trace starts moving up and down.
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