A PSU filter can be viewed as a voltage divider. In any voltage divider, some voltage goes one way (to ground, in a PSU), and some goes another (to your speakers, ultimately).
Here's a small thought experiment regarding the efficacy of power supply filters. Inject a large quantity of noise onto the AC line. Will *any* of that noise appear in a circuit fed by a power supply? Questions regarding the audibility of any noise coursing past the PSU filter can be laid to one side for this question.
Here's a small thought experiment regarding the efficacy of power supply filters. Inject a large quantity of noise onto the AC line. Will *any* of that noise appear in a circuit fed by a power supply? Questions regarding the audibility of any noise coursing past the PSU filter can be laid to one side for this question.
Originally posted by janneman if I had designed an amp that sounded audibly different with a different diode, I'd hide in a corner and tell no one about it...
Jan Didden
Yep, I think so too, still cannot hear the difference with a normal setup with standard diodes or the schottky ones.
Thx SY, that's what I figured. Not a whole lot is often a euphemism for squat measurable difference.
For what it's worth I haven't played with different silicon rectifiers but approach it by using a stage or two of filtering comprised of a uHenry-size RF inductor followed by a small film cap in the B+ supply to do the RF duties as most supply chokes resonate well into the audio band. I think it makes a worthwhile difference and as scientific proof offer burnt candles, feathers and deceased chickens: my personal voodoo.
For what it's worth I haven't played with different silicon rectifiers but approach it by using a stage or two of filtering comprised of a uHenry-size RF inductor followed by a small film cap in the B+ supply to do the RF duties as most supply chokes resonate well into the audio band. I think it makes a worthwhile difference and as scientific proof offer burnt candles, feathers and deceased chickens: my personal voodoo.
Inject a large quantity of noise onto the AC line. Will *any* of that noise appear in a circuit fed by a power supply?
The math suggests a PSU would require infinite capacitance (with zero ESR/ESL) and resistance to achieve zero noise... audible or not. Also, a rather spendy method.
The point remains however, if your filter cannot reduce diode noise to acceptable levels... what other types of noise (line borne) are then welcome to pass right through?
RDF,
The chickens taste good afterwards as well.
john curl said:How about series inductors AND soft recovery rectifiers? That's what we do.
Is what Meitner does also. Except I'm the guy who installs the rectifier.
Yep... but these things can have decent numbers attached and some reduction in capacitor cost can be realized.
I think the diode quest falls apart when you ignore another PSU plugged into the same mains. For that matter, just look at the mains themselves!
RDF,
Play with some common-mode chokes someday... also ferrite beads... marvelous little friends they are.
I had to get a brush motor to pass CE testing once... in a REAL hurry. Looped the wires through a hex nut a few times and added a 0.1 uF cap... passed easily.
I think the diode quest falls apart when you ignore another PSU plugged into the same mains. For that matter, just look at the mains themselves!
RDF,
Play with some common-mode chokes someday... also ferrite beads... marvelous little friends they are.
I had to get a brush motor to pass CE testing once... in a REAL hurry. Looped the wires through a hex nut a few times and added a 0.1 uF cap... passed easily.
john curl said:How about series inductors AND soft recovery rectifiers? That's what we do.
Sorry, no experience. I haven't progressed beyond thermonic diodes yet. =D
And for all you winos (SY) out there:
Get Thine A$$ down to the liquored-up store, wherever that maybe in your local locale, and buy the HECULA spanish wine that is making the rounds these days. Sells for $13.98 in Canada, (lower $in the states etc) and buy many a case. World ending numbers. Like it's the last bottle you will ever have. It scores a 92, on average, which puts it in the $50-75 a bottle price range, but it's only about $13 in the US. Supposedly, about 18,000 cases ended up being issued, so it should be easy to find. Matures late 2008, absolutely fine right now.
Get Thine A$$ down to the liquored-up store, wherever that maybe in your local locale, and buy the HECULA spanish wine that is making the rounds these days. Sells for $13.98 in Canada, (lower $in the states etc) and buy many a case. World ending numbers. Like it's the last bottle you will ever have. It scores a 92, on average, which puts it in the $50-75 a bottle price range, but it's only about $13 in the US. Supposedly, about 18,000 cases ended up being issued, so it should be easy to find. Matures late 2008, absolutely fine right now.
Schottky Barrier Diodes
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_H._Schottky / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schottky_diode
Inventor of the diode, really. And his first success was the best. All but forgotten until Shockly et al, invented the transisor ....
These diodes are ultra fast, quick recovery and almost magical when used in parallel with ordinary silicon diodes in producing a very fast recovery bridge rectifiers = "soft" recovery and in specialized detectors and microwave detectors ... and to prevent static discharge across CMOS chip inputs ... like op-amps.
... we couldn't have gigaHertz computers with out 'em.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_H._Schottky / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schottky_diode
Inventor of the diode, really. And his first success was the best. All but forgotten until Shockly et al, invented the transisor ....
These diodes are ultra fast, quick recovery and almost magical when used in parallel with ordinary silicon diodes in producing a very fast recovery bridge rectifiers = "soft" recovery and in specialized detectors and microwave detectors ... and to prevent static discharge across CMOS chip inputs ... like op-amps.
... we couldn't have gigaHertz computers with out 'em.
Hi Fasteddy,
Can you elaborate?
that's new to me.These diodes are ultra fast, quick recovery and almost magical when used in parallel with ordinary silicon diodes in producing a very fast recovery bridge rectifiers
Can you elaborate?
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