Slewmaster - CFA vs. VFA "Rumble"

Nice red pCB's !

BC can be used for the current mirrors (see just 12V vce ).
BCxxx you would have to reverse the device ,(and swap C/B around)
as BCxxx is a CBE pinout.

Most to-92's are ECB , the reason for my layout choice.

Input can also be BCxxx , provided the amp is powered by 50V rails.
You made the 5 pair version , so I assume you mant mega power !

BCxxx could :rolleyes: work (<50v rails) , but your application
(desire) seem to be for high power/high rails.

The to-126 BD139/140 are OK for the Cap multipliers (<60V rails), and
any Vbe (any rail V- they also "fit" - ECB).

Personally , unless it was the "baby" I was building ... stick to
the higher Vceo KSA/2SA -KSC/2SC devices ... they fit the layout and
are properly derated to ensure years of service.

OS
Hi Ostripper THANKS FOR REPLY.
I want use bc...just for first step.I must get these ksa from Mouser....so i can't wait!
Best regards.
Thimios.
 
"Spooky" ooooohhhh ...

Leach amp - "spooky" is done.

WHAT an amp ! Never tried my hand at this topology , I like it.

Massive slew , got it down to single digit PPM without beta enhancement.
Goes real well with the Hawksford/servo combo.

Stole the HK-990 servo (inverting servo) , amp will run without an
input cap (DC). Slew is awesome with the DC input (200+).

(below) is schema + .asc.
Slewmaster.txt is now (Keen + ksa1015/ksc1815).
(Below 2) is static offset ... WOW !
PS- I like laying out the ones that are " a' drippin' with parts. :D
Sorry...Mlloyd1 , the hafler folded cascode is not even close (.05% vs. 5ppm)
OS
 

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OS:

thanks for the "research".
it's all interesting!
i have to admit i've seen sims and products using the pseudo folded topology with MUCH better than 0.05% though.
sometime wish i was younger so i'd have more time left to play and learn ...

mlloyd1
 
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OS:

thanks for the "research".
it's all interesting!
i have to admit i've seen sims and products using the pseudo folded topology with MUCH better than 0.05% though.
sometime wish i was younger so i'd have more time left to play and learn ...

mlloyd1

I had the Hafler up and running. It is a "HOT" VAS . The emitter
follower VAS half supplies the class A , and is "helped" by the folded cascode.
While this VAS is nowhere near the hawksford in terms of distortion ,
it is faster with low Z.

The folded cascode runs in class B , allowing for massive slewing capabilities.
I ran it up to 1Kv/us .... nearly unheard of with a typical VAS.

I suppose david (hafler) wanted to drive them FET capacitance's with
a bit of overkill. :D

OS
 
Leach amp - "spooky" is done.

WHAT an amp ! Never tried my hand at this topology , I like it.

Massive slew , got it down to single digit PPM without beta enhancement.
Goes real well with the Hawksford/servo combo.

Stole the HK-990 servo (inverting servo) , amp will run without an
input cap (DC). Slew is awesome with the DC input (200+).

(below) is schema + .asc.
Slewmaster.txt is now (Keen + ksa1015/ksc1815).
(Below 2) is static offset ... WOW !
PS- I like laying out the ones that are " a' drippin' with parts. :D
Sorry...Mlloyd1 , the hafler folded cascode is not even close (.05% vs. 5ppm)
OS

almost had a seizure focusing on all those parts:)
 
Leach amp - "spooky" is done ...

I think this is the version that I'm gonna build. I am looking forward to seeing your progress on this one.

68 freakin' components .... it will fill that 76.2 X 88mm blank of mine. :eek:
It will have 2 trimmers for the CCS's , adjust both total IP current and
compensate for any offset the servo misses.

Since it is a big one .... I wanna' do it first. :cheers:
I think it is finalized , it will run with 10pF cdom before the square wave
"rings" - VERY stable !
PS -Finished PCB will be a very similar layout to the "NAD-S" IPS.
(CFA/hawksford/servo) .... almost a perfect rumble (symmetrical CFA vs. VFA). :cool:
OS
 
OS can you show a "testing" setup for the IPS that you will use for this. This is before you hook it up to the OPS I hope, if it is possible.

Thanks

With the VFA's you could just run 2 - 10K resistors from PD+/ND- back to NFB,
IPS should run independently.

As I explained to NAF for the OPS ... 2 -15K from the OPS rails to PD+/ND- simulates a "phantom IPS"
.... allows one to even set bias/check voltages.
Can't do this with your typical DIYA project !

OS
 
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take a look inside some mark levinson gear sometimes ...
speaking about lotsa parts
wowsa :eek:

mlloyd1

i'm probably gonna show my age with this one ...
anybody remember the walkie-talkie transistor count wars?
i actually saw some products that had transistors soldered onto the pcbs but providing NO functionality - pins were all shorted together - just there for the transistor count!

almost had a seizure focusing on all those parts:)
 
That looks awful complex there ostripper! Way over my pay grade to build and match components.

Here you are mistaken. :p The independant CCS adjustment trimmers will not require cross gender matching (P/N),
and the servo will "clean up" same gender differences ...(N/N - P/P).
To just match the same gender pairs will offer better performance , but it is
not crucial. The original leach had neither of these "fixes".

To Maouna ... I'll do the CfA-X next, as I already have this one
90% complete.

OS
 
Thanks OS,
I guess we will have to wait and see which of your many designs is going to have the best sound then. One question that remains is will simpler sound better than the more complex or the other way around?

"Simple" must be laid out as such. VERY short paths ....just a few CM's
between input pair and VAS ... compensation caps "huggin' the B-C
junctions. Had to split the NFB (NFB 1 and 2) as the amp has dual feedback.
Split NFB wire should be no issue.

CFA-X is my
only sim that will run without ANY compensation. I was amazed when
I first tried one a few months ago (the "alien" CFA :D ).

It also will do 300+V/us slew. this layout , (below) should allow for 10pF
compensation/ 250+V/uS reliable operation.
It also should be a 10-15$ IPS .... cheep !! :D

OS
 

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