Does not bother me at all. The high end of the range is always where they make the margins up. They are probably pushing to keep the L15 within most budgets, and have to get really beaten up by the OEM builders who want it for 5 cents over production. Also remember that the high end is lower volume so the materials cost is a larger jump that you expect. This is why I expect more things like documentation at the high end. It costs them almost nothing, but gives the consumer more value.
The definition of a good deal is when both parties walk away smiling.
The definition of a good deal is when both parties walk away smiling.
Economies of scale.
I bet they often buy the cones in from an external source (Chinese most likely) for instance for the pressed cone prestige models. The die cast magnesium cone an in house effort, paper cones from european source, some in UK from Dr. Kurt Müller: Sandwich Cones.
After considering that you have to work out the law of diminishing returns for yourself.
Yes, except the magnet, the basket, the spider, the surround, the pole piece etc, they are the same in each. The only parts where the lower volume stuff comes into it is with the extra copper in the gap, the cone and the phase plug. We know that you can get shorting rings for peanuts as the ZA14 driver has them as do some of the SEAS Prestige range as do most of SB Acoustics drivers. This leaves the phase plug and the cone. The tooling that makes the phase plugs for the Prestige range is more then likely the same that makes the copper phase plugs for the excels, so from that perspective all you've got is the added material cost. That leaves the cone.
It is as you say though, the Excel driver will more then likely have a much higher profit margin.
I've always wondered how specific you can get when custom ordering a driver from somewhere like SEAS. I mean could they make a magnesium coned mid-range specific driver, like the W15 with the neo-hex magnet, which focuses on having reasonably high sensitivity at the expense of bass extension? I've always wondered why they haven't done this anyway.
I suppose the problem with that is if the cone needs to be lighter it would be thinner and that might not have beneficial effects on the break-up. Maybe you cannot change the cone as that might require new tooling.
I suppose the problem with that is if the cone needs to be lighter it would be thinner and that might not have beneficial effects on the break-up. Maybe you cannot change the cone as that might require new tooling.
SEAS has over 1000 customers and i have seen 15cm magnesium midranges with hex magnet in the lab. Ether you use the big tool box they have or you invest in your own design. Have being there, have done that.
I have not talked with SB about that but i suppose that is possible. They supply a lot of raw parts to european vendors anyway, including metal parts.
When Davis Stevens visited me i showed him some SEAS and Scan drivers and he could identify most parts : this is made by SB, that is made by SB, and so on.
I have not talked with SB about that but i suppose that is possible. They supply a lot of raw parts to european vendors anyway, including metal parts.
When Davis Stevens visited me i showed him some SEAS and Scan drivers and he could identify most parts : this is made by SB, that is made by SB, and so on.
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I watched a movie about BMW factories. They make the Z4 Roadster engines out of Magnesium (alloy?) to reduce the weight. In the movie they explained that Magnesium will spontaneously combust at high temperatures so the casting process is very complicated. They have a special foundry that removes all oxygen and injects the molten magnesium into the cast at high pressure.
I suspect that loudspeaker manufacturers have to use a similar process to produce magnesium cones.
Indeed I had wondered how one casts magnesium, but it might just require replacing an oxy/nitrogen mix with a noble gas inside a casting chamber or something. I am sure that it is quite a bit more expensive then the alu cones, but why is the w15ly coated paper cone more expensive then the w15cy mag cone at madisound
I know this isn't a typical example, but usually the price difference between the cy and the ly isn't that large, so the mag cones can't be that expensive.
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