Scott, which cartridge is that? What's the output rating?
The low output grados are all 0.5mV. I had mine hooked up to a pass pearl, which gladly handles my 0.7mV Lyra, but misses out on the dynamics of my 0.2mV mayware.
Scott, which cartridge is that? What's the output rating?
The new Grado Sonata has .5 mV and 2 Ohms but the L is still 2mH. Some of the virtual ground input preamps will yield a time constant in the audio band based only on the cartridge characteristics. A Denon 103 for instance is 160 Ohms and 380uH. If you assume 2 Ohms and run a hot bipolar input the current noise will get you at the high frequencies.
Hi,
What should be the main factors that needs to be considered while selecting the supply transformer ? I am having a BLOCK transformer that can produce 18V dual secondaries. The power per secondary is 5VA. Is that OK for this project ?
Best regards,
Bins.
Hi,
What is the DC voltage and current you need? If you have that, calculate the power required. Then look up how to calculate the rectified voltage from a given secondary AC voltage.
This is all very easy to find on the net and will give you much more understanding than just asking (too) simple questions on the forum. Many people want to help if it is clear that you also do an effort.
jd
Hi,
Will there by any significant advantage in the audio performance if the left and right channels are built as discrete blocks each having their own power supply ?
We will be having 4 blocks:
Best regards,
Bins.
Will there by any significant advantage in the audio performance if the left and right channels are built as discrete blocks each having their own power supply ?
We will be having 4 blocks:
- Left Phono Stage.
- Left Power Supply.
- Right Phono Stage and
- Right Power Supply.
Best regards,
Bins.
The new Grado Sonata has .5 mV and 2 Ohms but the L is still 2mH. Some of the virtual ground input preamps will yield a time constant in the audio band
Scott, years ago I had a Statement Platinum. That one too was specified at 2 mH, but when I ran it into a 20 Ohms virtual ground input it sounded tonally OK.
I then measured the coil inductance and found ... 60 uH.
Hi,
I wanted to collect the opinion on that implementation. Also, what is the idea of replacing the LM833 with the LM4562 or LME49710 ?
Best regards,
Bins.
LM833 sounds pretty bad for a modern op amp. If you need low noise and FET input you may look at the LF353 but it will be noisy complared to the 833. Maybe an AD712 or if you can take a BJT input try the LT1028.
Hi,
Will there by any significant advantage in the audio performance if the left and right channels are built as discrete blocks, each having their own power supply ?
Best regards,
Bins.
This is very seldom used even at the highest quality level. For a beginners design which may be based around an LM833 and powered from 7*15 regs it is completely inappropriate.
Even Better!!
Build your preamp with a socket so you may try any dual op-amp you like. A socket will not hurt the sound at all. Here is a good socket:
Digi-Key - ED3308-ND (Manufacturer - 110-93-308-41-001000)
Good sounding op amps:
NJM2068 LF353 LT1028
Bad sounding op amps:
NE5532 ??4558 LM833
Build your preamp with a socket so you may try any dual op-amp you like. A socket will not hurt the sound at all. Here is a good socket:
Digi-Key - ED3308-ND (Manufacturer - 110-93-308-41-001000)
Good sounding op amps:
NJM2068 LF353 LT1028
Bad sounding op amps:
NE5532 ??4558 LM833
Please do not use an 833- that thing is unstable and sounds like 10,000 squeaky toys tossed in grinder!
That is about the best descriotion of that piece of crap opamp I have ever heard - BRAVO!
Regards, Allen
Pretty please with sugar on top!
Please use a socket (link in earlier post) for the op-amp so you may try different op-amps. Op-amps are cheap to buy and if you make it so they just plug in you can easily discover which one sounds good. The LME49710 is another one of those "optimized" to look really good on paper without concern for the actual sonic performance. The LM833 is exactly the same type of "optimized for audio" opamp. We have already discussed that waste silicone.
Why is the output of the top opamp connected to ground through a 1µF capacitor? That will make the amp misbehave. Can you explain or maybe I missed something.- thanks
Hello Allen,
Good to see you on this thread. Instead of the LM833, I am planning to use the National LME 49710 opamp.
Best regards,
Bins.
Please use a socket (link in earlier post) for the op-amp so you may try different op-amps. Op-amps are cheap to buy and if you make it so they just plug in you can easily discover which one sounds good. The LME49710 is another one of those "optimized" to look really good on paper without concern for the actual sonic performance. The LM833 is exactly the same type of "optimized for audio" opamp. We have already discussed that waste silicone.
Why is the output of the top opamp connected to ground through a 1µF capacitor? That will make the amp misbehave. Can you explain or maybe I missed something.- thanks
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in the National Semi app note the upper op amps are acting as sub regulators for the ps, I would expect the caps on the op amp outputs to need some esr to maintain stability
I do have a philosophical problem with the flat gain block and passive eq topology:
LM4562=dual LME49710, the same app circuit appears in both part's literature
active riaa feedback keeps the feedback factor more nearly constant and keeps slew rate and overload demands much lower
I do have a philosophical problem with the flat gain block and passive eq topology:
LM4562=dual LME49710, the same app circuit appears in both part's literature
...assuming the gain blocks are perfect and giving them no further consideration is the logical error in recommending this design
The LM4562 is a high gain, "low bandwidth" device with integrating frequency response with a corner frequency below 10Hz
from 20 Hz to 20 KHz the open loop gain and the feedback of the "flat gain" blocks will fall 1000x
I think some of the usual criticisms of feedback amplifiers might include "falling feedback factor", "rising distortion, output impedance with frequency", and Otala's PIM
all of which are worse with the flat gain/ passive eq topology than if you implement the RIAA roll-off as active feedback
then of course you're feeding the input with a pre-emphasized signal that boosts 20 KHz by 40 dB over the 20 Hz level – to the point that the circuit has to “burn” some S/N at high frequency to keep any overload margin
I suppose you could argue that the LM4562 is so good that this bad topology would make the LM4562 superiority stand out from most other op amps in the flat gain blocks
active riaa feedback keeps the feedback factor more nearly constant and keeps slew rate and overload demands much lower
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Hi,
The top opamp's are not a part of the audio section. They are part of the power supply.
Best regards,
Bins.
The top opamp's are not a part of the audio section. They are part of the power supply.
Best regards,
Bins.
Please use a socket (link in earlier post) for the op-amp so you may try different op-amps. Op-amps are cheap to buy and if you make it so they just plug in you can easily discover which one sounds good. The LME49710 is another one of those "optimized" to look really good on paper without concern for the actual sonic performance. The LM833 is exactly the same type of "optimized for audio" opamp. We have already discussed that waste silicone.
Why is the output of the top opamp connected to ground through a 1µF capacitor? That will make the amp misbehave. Can you explain or maybe I missed something.- thanks
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