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Group promoting climate skepticism has extensive ties to Exxon-Mobil | Raw Story
In the case you didn't know on your own. Thinking that everything we did since the industrial revolution didn't make any harm or impact is politely expressed delusional.
The fact that Al Gore made good money shows that he was successful in bringing the issue to attention what was goal in the first place. What he achieved is much more important than the side effect of what he earned in my mind. I will completely agree that there will be Goldman Sachs and Enrons like, that will try to profit off anything, including global warming and that is what we should be concern off. Because the amounts we are talking here are much bigger ones, and they are surely not going to be used to prevent global warming.
Going back to the subject, I doubt there will be much fuss about class A amps. It is unfortunate reality that good quality sound is not mainstream, but very small niche in the consumer market that no one has time or money to regulate . If it is different, than mp3 would never had a chance and we all would be buying SACDs by now. And even if they try to regulate it, you could always brand class A amps as a very expensive space heater, that happens to amplify audio signals as well. I doubt they will stop sale and manufacture of electrical space heaters?
There is always solution, one or another way. All you need is bias adjustment button with two positions - energy preserving mode and good sound mode.
Group promoting climate skepticism has extensive ties to Exxon-Mobil | Raw Story
In the case you didn't know on your own. Thinking that everything we did since the industrial revolution didn't make any harm or impact is politely expressed delusional.
The fact that Al Gore made good money shows that he was successful in bringing the issue to attention what was goal in the first place. What he achieved is much more important than the side effect of what he earned in my mind. I will completely agree that there will be Goldman Sachs and Enrons like, that will try to profit off anything, including global warming and that is what we should be concern off. Because the amounts we are talking here are much bigger ones, and they are surely not going to be used to prevent global warming.
Going back to the subject, I doubt there will be much fuss about class A amps. It is unfortunate reality that good quality sound is not mainstream, but very small niche in the consumer market that no one has time or money to regulate . If it is different, than mp3 would never had a chance and we all would be buying SACDs by now. And even if they try to regulate it, you could always brand class A amps as a very expensive space heater, that happens to amplify audio signals as well. I doubt they will stop sale and manufacture of electrical space heaters?
There is always solution, one or another way. All you need is bias adjustment button with two positions - energy preserving mode and good sound mode.
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Are you being sarcastic?
I have personally met with one of Al Gores scientific advisors (Dr Graeme Pearman), and heard him talk on climate change.
The only thing they know for sure is that there is more CO2 in the air than their was previously.
They have not been able to prove anything else.
The reason they are making a move on this is, it comes down to risk management principles. The likelihood is unknown but the consequences could be devastating.
They are running on better safe than sorry.
This is the main reason why they are trying to reduce CO2 emissions. I do not have a problem with this at all.
What I have problem with is twisting truth and only presenting half the story, and passing it off as science.
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No, I am not sarcastic. It was news published today on the site I like to read. I find it interesting coincidence to have this discussion started and to have this article published about the same time.
Well, I was not writing to you directly, but since you responded...
"The only thing they know for sure is that there is more CO2 in the air than their was previously.
They have not been able to prove anything else."
Do they really have to, when we know that since the industrial revolution we contributed disproportionally exactly with CO2 emission, much more during 150 years, than since we existed on the planet?
What bothers me is that more effort is going to be spent in confrontation and derailing the important message. The fact is that major polluters are going to use that and use it as excuse as well as tactic in order to keep doing what they are doing. It is the same story just like debate about the health care (domestic issue) where industry that is directly responsible for the current horrific situation is capable of polluting any effort to solve the mess they created. And here we are talking about peoples health and well being.
As you pointed on your own, the consequences of doing nothing could be devastating, so in my mind that is the message that needs attention. Concentrating all effort on that might give us closer answers you are looking for. Leaving it to to industry, that we know is at least part of the problem, certainly will take us to the wrong direction. Leaving it to the bankers to make bets on our chances of survival and making billions with it, certainly is not the the way to go ether.
Now, this discussion as usually, could go wrong way when it comes to politics so we are better off stopping it right here, because neither we will find solution, nor we will ever all agree.
Best regards
AR2
Class A amplifiers are very inefficient but there are very few out there wasting energy.
Modern personal computers represent a much bigger problem because everybody has one, and due to the extremely inefficient programming practices that are in fashion now, drawing 200W when idle and 500W-1000W during intesive processing is quite common.
The way in which modern programming is done requires millions of machine instructions to do the same job that 10 years ago was being done with a few thousand. Scripts, interpreted languages like java and object oriented programming are the main three things to blame (and of course high-resolution video-processing intensive ads everywhere).
This is likely to become a real problem. If things follow the current trend, by 2050 we will probably need personal computers with 10 kilowatt power supplies, idling at 2 kilowatt, just to read the e-mail, visit some web sites and play movies and music...
btw: Global warming is out of question, every car is a very powerful space heater. One gallon of gas contains the amount of heat equivalent to 36000 watts during one hour, and only 20% to 30% of that is converted to mechanical energy and transferred to the wheels, the rest is wasted heat released to the atmosphere. Hybrid cars achieve considerably better efficiencies because braking energy is recycled and the gas engine is run in optimum conditions.
Modern personal computers represent a much bigger problem because everybody has one, and due to the extremely inefficient programming practices that are in fashion now, drawing 200W when idle and 500W-1000W during intesive processing is quite common.
The way in which modern programming is done requires millions of machine instructions to do the same job that 10 years ago was being done with a few thousand. Scripts, interpreted languages like java and object oriented programming are the main three things to blame (and of course high-resolution video-processing intensive ads everywhere).
This is likely to become a real problem. If things follow the current trend, by 2050 we will probably need personal computers with 10 kilowatt power supplies, idling at 2 kilowatt, just to read the e-mail, visit some web sites and play movies and music...
btw: Global warming is out of question, every car is a very powerful space heater. One gallon of gas contains the amount of heat equivalent to 36000 watts during one hour, and only 20% to 30% of that is converted to mechanical energy and transferred to the wheels, the rest is wasted heat released to the atmosphere. Hybrid cars achieve considerably better efficiencies because braking energy is recycled and the gas engine is run in optimum conditions.
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this is a pointless thread because firstly it implies that Nelson is responsible for all Class A amps on the planet and must be bought in line, and secondly carbon footprint is the issue. I catch the train and leave my Aleph 2s on all day and night. I bet the guy that drives his SUV for an hour a day and doesn't have an amp has a bigger carbon footprint than I do.
Are you going to tell us what size cars we should drive too?
Now, this discussion as usually, could go wrong way when it comes to politics so we are better off stopping it right here, because neither we will find solution, nor we will ever all agree.
Best regards
AR2
Yes I agree with you. This thread serves no purpose other than to cause division, and contention, among us fellow PASS DIY buddies.
It would probably best removing both the threads from coloradosound from the forum.
It is too easy to misinterpret or misunderstnad peoples point of view, and that is very dangerous when discussing highly emotional topics.
and we have bigger issues to deal with, try this
Conspiracy Theory, Illuminati, New World Order, 2012, End of Days, Mayan Calendar, Mayan Prophecy, 2012 Apocalypse, Bible Prophecy, End World, Doomsday, End Times, 2012 End World, End of the World
Nasa are deceiving us of impending doom, theres a comet coming straight towards us and they are covering it up. Its because the comet will increase global temperatures by 15 degrees and kill all humans. Nasas true masters are the lizards, these lizrds are the iluminati and are creating a super lizard race on earth to conquer the galaxy. Scientologists are the only ones who can stop the lizards but the drug companies are suppressing humanity by drugging us via our water supply. So scientologists are trying to free humanity fron the wretched drug companies so that they get critical mass of clears to fight the lizards and make bucket loads of cash. Lizards also happen to be xenu's servants from prison planet xratedbutts but its purely coincidental.
The aliens are also here monitoring the lizards, but their anal probes are not for research but purely a pass time as earth is quite boring for these advanced beings.
Any way the reason Im letting you guys in on this is because if you stop drinking the water and start listening to alephs you might enjoy your last few months of existance
Oh and dont bother asking how I know all this, suffice to say Im very well connected.
Conspiracy Theory, Illuminati, New World Order, 2012, End of Days, Mayan Calendar, Mayan Prophecy, 2012 Apocalypse, Bible Prophecy, End World, Doomsday, End Times, 2012 End World, End of the World
Nasa are deceiving us of impending doom, theres a comet coming straight towards us and they are covering it up. Its because the comet will increase global temperatures by 15 degrees and kill all humans. Nasas true masters are the lizards, these lizrds are the iluminati and are creating a super lizard race on earth to conquer the galaxy. Scientologists are the only ones who can stop the lizards but the drug companies are suppressing humanity by drugging us via our water supply. So scientologists are trying to free humanity fron the wretched drug companies so that they get critical mass of clears to fight the lizards and make bucket loads of cash. Lizards also happen to be xenu's servants from prison planet xratedbutts but its purely coincidental.
The aliens are also here monitoring the lizards, but their anal probes are not for research but purely a pass time as earth is quite boring for these advanced beings.
Any way the reason Im letting you guys in on this is because if you stop drinking the water and start listening to alephs you might enjoy your last few months of existance
Oh and dont bother asking how I know all this, suffice to say Im very well connected.
That story sounds like an Alfred Hitchcock classic.
Or possibly Douglas Adams sequel to Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
Thanks for the advice Luke. I don't have much time left to finish off all my projects, I better get to it.
I am still ******* myself laughing over that one. Thanks man. I haven't laughed that much in a long time.
Or possibly Douglas Adams sequel to Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
Thanks for the advice Luke. I don't have much time left to finish off all my projects, I better get to it.
I am still ******* myself laughing over that one. Thanks man. I haven't laughed that much in a long time.
I'll have you know that ever since I have a Class A amplifier my power bill is going down steadily. Converting electrical power into hot air and sound (in the end the same, I know) made me use electricity more conciously.
As the crab people are very much into fashion they'll gather anything they can convert into shoes and belts, so I think they'll first stick with the tails. The lizard people will get away, but will in turn be very much sought after whenever leaving a tail.
This is where Catch-22 comes into play. Gotta have that for a tense plot.
This is where Catch-22 comes into play. Gotta have that for a tense plot.
As I stated earlier, Al Gore has already made $100,000,000 since 2000 (when he was worth between $1,000,000-2,000,000) on his global warming activities.
I don't know of any honest (note the word 'honest') science that indicates that the consequences of 'doing nothing', whatever that is supposed to mean, 'could' be 'devastating'. That leaves out pretty much everything that ever came from the University of East Anglia, Michael Mann, Al Gore and James Hansen, for instance, since they were all preaching from the same acknowledged corrupted book. My favorite is that there still exist people that claim Antarctic ice will completely melt within the next 20 years. And just a week or two ago, Der Spiegel in Germany was frothing about global warming literally causing the oceans to boil. Facts mean nothing to these people - it's all politics with them.
Most energy companies, including Exxon Mobil, are looking to cash in in the global warming movement. The fact that the expected big money grabbing Cap and Tax was an invention of the much despised Enron (an energy company) is sufficient indication of that. It's laughable that people think they are hurting oil companies by endorsing Cap and Tax. The only ones that will be significantly hurt are private citizens like people who post on DIY Audio because they are the ones who will be paying for it all if it ever gets enacted. 0bama promised huge escalations in energy rates and taxes if he got his way. Probably the first time in history people voted for idiot tax increases.
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Here is a data point for you.
Over the past 12 weeks I've measured the power consumed by my audio rig. It averages out to 20 watts. Or 0.48 KWH per day. I use mostly Class-D stuff. Or sometimes class AB tube. Cost = about $1.25 a month.
But that's higher than I would have thought. Because it includes all the time the rig was turned off! Tho I'll admit I often don't turn off the processing gear, so that accounts for a good bit. By comparison, I have a compact fluorescent that burns 24/7 - but draws only 11 watts. It sheds more light than the stereo, but doesn't sound as good.
Over the past 12 weeks I've measured the power consumed by my audio rig. It averages out to 20 watts. Or 0.48 KWH per day. I use mostly Class-D stuff. Or sometimes class AB tube. Cost = about $1.25 a month.
But that's higher than I would have thought. Because it includes all the time the rig was turned off! Tho I'll admit I often don't turn off the processing gear, so that accounts for a good bit. By comparison, I have a compact fluorescent that burns 24/7 - but draws only 11 watts. It sheds more light than the stereo, but doesn't sound as good.
Thoriated,
I am not going to engage in this debate. Lets keep in mind that this is an international forum and not a right wing blog, in support of previous administration and Resident.
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