No more analog FM in Norway?

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I'm wondering if in Norway, and everywhere, low power local station (Say, those who serves a little town, for example) are economically capable of change all the equipment to the new ones needed for transmitting digitally.

The positive side of all, is that it will lower significantly the RF pollution in the air, and the power consumption from FM transmitters.
The local FM stations will still be active. It's only the countrywide network tat is getting closed down.

Bigger local stations have been offered to buy parts of the old FM infrastructure at a cheap price to continue using it. The smaller ones, with only a few transmitters will probably keep using their own infrastructure.

Johan-Kr
 
Given the increasingly noise levels in the short wave band thanks for the large variety of SMPS's in the MHz range, and the decreasing interest in those programs, it is reasonable that a SW transmitter become shut down, also because of the high power levels they demand. There was common power of 1MW in the past times. But it is more rare in the FM band.
ABC National Radio short wave services have been the staple radio connection to the outside world in the outback cattle stations and camps of far regional Australia.
I recall as a kid listening to midday news and The Country Hour on a battery SW set sitting under trees during breaks in mustering...in far regional areas there were no other radio services available.
Nowadays regional center ABC AM services broadcast these programs for a reasonable radius in the local area area and beyond.
I looked for AM services in Norway and came up empty ?.

Dan.
 
AM services are mostly long, long gone.

There used to be a huge SW transmitter at Kvitsøy providing news and such for norwegians abroad, but they shut it down 31.12.2003.

Heck - even Radio Lux has shut down these days. There's no money to be made in Europe on AM radio, and even government funded radio doesn't have the available funds.

Norwegians abroad these days can use the internet to get NRK (or other radio stations). Sattelite is also used.

Now TV abroad is a whole different kettle of fish. I recently had to help a customer with a holiday bungalow in Brazil get VPN on his iPad, so he can watch the world ski champoinship when he goes there for holiday...

Johan-Kr
 
AM for me in Aus means means 500-1700khz broadcast band.
Sure LW 150 kHz is am modulation but not quite what I meant.
I am currently exploring listening to Aus ABC services via streaming from my modem/router wifi directly to disused android phones feeding my hifi.
This is the modern broadcast radio method, different to local terrestrial transmissions, I'm not sure that I like it.

Dan.
 
I have a rather good Sony ST2950 FM/LW/MM/SW tuner circa 1977. What might have been 10 years ago I showed my son how good the short wave could be even when music. On trying it at Christmas nearly nothing can be found on SW. It was a bit like a disused railway station where everything could still work and the rails still shine. I did get an excellent Arab style music station that I took to be Iran and a very clear Chinese news station in English. No religious programs this time nor the Lincolnshire Poacher. Sadly no Number Counters. I am told the Poacher was us Brits out of Cypus. In the past it was said to be Albania. It seems unlikely to me they would use an English folk tune.

My 15 year old VW has it's factory fit FM radio and casette. The sound is better than it should be. The RDS FM system nearly always gets my favourite stations anywhere I drive. Traffic news comes and goes if I choose. Whilst SW is understandable, loss of FM would be a disaster.

I remember the day 405 line TV was switched off. I had a Sony TV990 that could receive it ( FM picture and AM sound I think ). I built a very simple unbalanced aerial using coax and drawing pins of the exact 1/4 wavelength as best I could that was far better than any wideband aerial I tried ( this works for FM radio sometimes ). I then used a compass to point it to the London transmitter. Sometimes the London station was more interesting. Surprisingly the transmitter was 100 kM away. Although not the best the Sony could give the picture was stable and not hard to watch, no obvious multipath. The sound was fine in terms of noise.
 
I think I was told about a 10 kHz stereo Long wave service. If I am right it had a DC to 30 Hz section clear to give a centre location to tune to and if you like double SSB that would give stereo or mono. The AM TV sound was rather good so I think it could work well ( also 10 kHz I think ). It is said Austrailia tested the system and USA. The idea was for long distance car radio use.

The Quad AM tuner was made by Horns of Oxford who made radios in the 1930's. I have one that I must get going. It was well liked by the dipolomatic services to feel more at home. It is said the 198 kHz ( was 200, French made us move ) of BBC radio 4 was part of our Nuclear defence. Submarines had to check it was transmitting as part of our defence. The station was to close down. Old ladies were said to have insisted it remain. My son says his favourite French station has just closed on LW. I use to listen Radio Luxembourg French service for " La Grosse Tete " which was like our BBC quiz shows.

I remember listening to French LW with my wife. She said " who is that singing " I said Elvis " she said " I couldn't tell as it's not a good sound " My reply " No,because it's CD and the chest harmonics are missing". She asked if I could really tell and I said I could as it is a distortion that can not be hidden. It's like a tribute group. This was first years of CD.
 
I have much experience in community FM broadcasting and agree that it doesn't sound quite right.
With my work the local community station does sound unusually good, but the receive side decoding summing and differenceing causes subjective problems, mostly related to noise behaviours.
AM does typically sound more pleasing to my ear despite the FR limitations.

Dan.
 
The AM stereo thing got tried and then went away.....didn't really work, certainly not well enough over distance or local RF noise.
Not many stations went for it (total refit - stereo station studio equipment, doubled ISDN, tie lines, link transmitters etc required) so it never gained ground and rightly so, nothing to miss really.....and then FM got popular.

Dan.
 
Several years ago I made a very small FM transmitter, using a 6U8 both as oscillator (triode from a 49.860MHz Xtal extracted from walkie talkies) and the pentode as doubler and output, giving, perhaps and with too much luck, ½W, sufficient to cover my father's house. I worked pretty fine, but the modulation index was very poor as a Xtal is difficult to move. But as an experiment was wonderful.
 
I was told 807 can do 12 watts at 120 MHz. Not sure if true. If true I suspect it could do most of Oxford.

My little FM transmitter is mono. It is very sensetive to hum. I would liken it's sound to a moderate cassette player with no pitch error. It's not hi fi. It's damn close. It radiates to about two streets. If I go to sleep and some dodgy film is on then everyone for 200 metres knows what I have on TV. UK shows soft porn at night.
 
That's not bad as we would be about 25 houses I guess here. I was very interested in the AM for Svalbard. Years ago I saw a film that said if a small period of good weather arrived at Svalbard people would even go sun bathing. It is said Svalbard is warmer than it might be due to the Gulf Stream. Recently it seems to have changed to being more like Iceland. There is also the French Antartic Lands that are similar and hardy heard of. They are further North that Svalbard is South, yet just as cold as no similar warmer waters. South of Maurisius if looking.
 
Scotland is a temperate climate modified by the Atlantic Gulf Stream.
That makes what could be very cold British Columbia (Canada) type winters into something much warmer, but also very variable.
We rely on the wind direction to keep us warm.
Just a small change makes a BIG difference to the temperatures and the cloud cover.
I think that also impacts on the ability to receive, or not, SW broadcasts.
 
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