I surrender
Deam it, I surrender.
I just love when you're in a good mood and have the time to elucidate us all (me at least).
Thank you for that very nice photo.
What a bunch of wires.
Hey, just joking...
It looks very good indeed.
Kuei Yang Wang said:
Kuei Yang Wang said:Koinichiwa,
Hey. Stop shifting goal posts. You never said anything about price. The best is rarely cheap. That's life. Though the very best in life is usually free....
I think you would want to FIRST try this out and secondly comment, rather than to prejudge. In my experience resistive volume controls have a "larger sonic footprint" than transformers and active circuits, no matter how good have an even larger one.
When I compared my transformer passive against a rather special "buffered passive" (here the INPUT is buffered and the passive section is very low impedance and used in a shunt control type arrangement with a Z-Out < 300R worst case) the improvements with the transfromer where so drastic, that friend of mine who had build the buffered passive "to save money" felt it had been a complete waste of money and went out and put the long green down for transformers. Try it.
Sayonara
Deam it, I surrender.
I just love when you're in a good mood and have the time to elucidate us all (me at least).
Thank you for that very nice photo.
What a bunch of wires.
Hey, just joking...
It looks very good indeed.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The reason
Koinichiwa,
No, it's not exactly true.
Kuei Yang Wang (Keiyanwang) is a figure from one of my favourite anime' series, sazan eyes. There he the one who is never seen, the evil presence in the background.
When I decided to create a new "on line personae" I was watching the whole series again (major otaku me is) and found the idea amusing. The japanese phrases are some of the very few I actually know (and thus an affectation), but I'm much fascinated with things japanese, when I get the time I'll try to learn japanese well.
Sayonara
Koinichiwa,
tiroth said:
No, it's not exactly true.
Kuei Yang Wang (Keiyanwang) is a figure from one of my favourite anime' series, sazan eyes. There he the one who is never seen, the evil presence in the background.
When I decided to create a new "on line personae" I was watching the whole series again (major otaku me is) and found the idea amusing. The japanese phrases are some of the very few I actually know (and thus an affectation), but I'm much fascinated with things japanese, when I get the time I'll try to learn japanese well.
Sayonara
My god, this page got huge...
And it's my fault.
I'm gonna change the resolution to 2048x1600 to see if I cach it all.
Anyway, Kuei, for me, David Bowie's best years were when he incarnated Ziggy Stardust.
Maby that's happenig to you.
In fact, I was just trying to "pull your leg" to see if you showed us your preamp.
I knew it would be something special.
I did it!
Kuei Yang Wang said:
And it's my fault.
I'm gonna change the resolution to 2048x1600 to see if I cach it all.
Anyway, Kuei, for me, David Bowie's best years were when he incarnated Ziggy Stardust.
Maby that's happenig to you.
In fact, I was just trying to "pull your leg" to see if you showed us your preamp.
I knew it would be something special.
I did it!
transformers?
Koinichiwa,
Actually, what you saw is the "budget" commercial implementation. I know, many people would not consider the asking price for that little box to be "budget".
Yet I can confirm that a new, "serious high end" version is on the drawing board, using as full application of C37 principles, silver wiring, a new transformer winding geometry and core materials to seriously push the envelope and of course in a "hewn from solid" wooden case with a nice look (me being industrial designer) in a Philips Strack meets Bauhaus meets neo Victorian steam punk meets Cartier & Tiffanies style, that should appeal to people with more money than sense, plus sonics that will hopefully be as far ahead of the current units as a Transformer based passive line control is ahead of resistive attenuation.
Well, it's still on the drawing board. I might get MF-Audio to make a few after they sold the first 100 of the other line controls... ;-)
My own "personal" unit is a bit more involved and seriosuly crazy....
All wiring, except the wires from the transformers themselves which I kept short are solid, uninsulated silver.
Switching of inputs, polarity (Phase) and gain (yes, this "passive preamp" has gain) are achieved using special low capacitance, super small size reed relais, in the worst case (unity gain) three reed relais contacts and one solid silver switch contact are in the signal circuit.
Of course, that means my passive linestage needs a powersupply, namely an external wallwart selected out of my huge collection for lowest leakage and fitted with schottky diodes and LC filtering....
The RC circuits on the Jacks terminate any cable shields at RF, the reed relais are encased in a block, covered with several layers of self adheasive copper tape, which forms the RF "ground". nAll XLR's are Plastic, with hard silverplating over brass. I wish I could have XLR's in wood and with solid silver contact.
The RCA's are fitted so I can use my VCR or any old review gear that comes my way, though fitting RCA's to high end gear should be made a crime.
The whole assembly is in a full size HiFi case from a preamp produced by Opera Audio (Reference 1.1. This case was specially made for me by Mr. Liu with a blonde wood top and the whole process facilitated and initiated by the sadly late Stanley Chu of Opera Audio Hong Kong, a great fellow and true gentleman, who passed away by far to young.
And if you think that passive linestage is far out, wait till you see the phonostage....
Sayonara
Ziggie played guitar.....
Koinichiwa,
carlosfm said:
In fact, I was just trying to "pull your leg" to see if you showed us your preamp.
I knew it would be something special.
I did it!
Actually, what you saw is the "budget" commercial implementation. I know, many people would not consider the asking price for that little box to be "budget".
Yet I can confirm that a new, "serious high end" version is on the drawing board, using as full application of C37 principles, silver wiring, a new transformer winding geometry and core materials to seriously push the envelope and of course in a "hewn from solid" wooden case with a nice look (me being industrial designer) in a Philips Strack meets Bauhaus meets neo Victorian steam punk meets Cartier & Tiffanies style, that should appeal to people with more money than sense, plus sonics that will hopefully be as far ahead of the current units as a Transformer based passive line control is ahead of resistive attenuation.
Well, it's still on the drawing board. I might get MF-Audio to make a few after they sold the first 100 of the other line controls... ;-)
My own "personal" unit is a bit more involved and seriosuly crazy....
All wiring, except the wires from the transformers themselves which I kept short are solid, uninsulated silver.
Switching of inputs, polarity (Phase) and gain (yes, this "passive preamp" has gain) are achieved using special low capacitance, super small size reed relais, in the worst case (unity gain) three reed relais contacts and one solid silver switch contact are in the signal circuit.
Of course, that means my passive linestage needs a powersupply, namely an external wallwart selected out of my huge collection for lowest leakage and fitted with schottky diodes and LC filtering....
The RC circuits on the Jacks terminate any cable shields at RF, the reed relais are encased in a block, covered with several layers of self adheasive copper tape, which forms the RF "ground". nAll XLR's are Plastic, with hard silverplating over brass. I wish I could have XLR's in wood and with solid silver contact.
The RCA's are fitted so I can use my VCR or any old review gear that comes my way, though fitting RCA's to high end gear should be made a crime.
The whole assembly is in a full size HiFi case from a preamp produced by Opera Audio (Reference 1.1. This case was specially made for me by Mr. Liu with a blonde wood top and the whole process facilitated and initiated by the sadly late Stanley Chu of Opera Audio Hong Kong, a great fellow and true gentleman, who passed away by far to young.
And if you think that passive linestage is far out, wait till you see the phonostage....
Sayonara
Ziggie played guitar.....
Koinichiwa,
The board is not from Mom but from Woolworth. It's a "Chesse & Bisquit" Board, not a cutting board. The little ceramic tile that was sitting in the middle to place chesse upon makes a good little damping weight on top of my DVD Player (waste not want not).
And if I ever really get of Vinyl I can use the thing to serve cheese & bisquites...
All this wood actually is C37 lacquered and was applied because of the C37 principles....
SayonaraDieter Ennemosers C37 Theory and C37 lackquer
Steve Eddy said:Ooooooohh, mom's gonna have a fit when she finds out you used her new cutting board to make your preamp.
The board is not from Mom but from Woolworth. It's a "Chesse & Bisquit" Board, not a cutting board. The little ceramic tile that was sitting in the middle to place chesse upon makes a good little damping weight on top of my DVD Player (waste not want not).
And if I ever really get of Vinyl I can use the thing to serve cheese & bisquites...
All this wood actually is C37 lacquered and was applied because of the C37 principles....
SayonaraDieter Ennemosers C37 Theory and C37 lackquer
Koinichiwa Eddy San,
No. I somehow seem to lack the knack for that principle. I need one of these things though to power my time machine. We'll see.
(Time Machine as in a Machine to produce time, so I have time for all the things I want to do, not as in a Vehicle to traverse time - which would be a Timeship [or car or plane], not a timemachine)
Power in my case comes from a transformer that used to power a Mullard 5-10 Poweramp and 8 X 10H Chokes plus siz 120uF/400V Ansar Film Capacitors. The heaters have also a choke PI filter with 1,000uF / 1H / 68,000uF X 2.
As for C37, why don;t get some and lacquer your Q-Interface with it, inside and out. You may find the results rather surprising.
Sayonara
Steve Eddy said:
And powered by an over-unity generator too I suppose?
No. I somehow seem to lack the knack for that principle. I need one of these things though to power my time machine. We'll see.
(Time Machine as in a Machine to produce time, so I have time for all the things I want to do, not as in a Vehicle to traverse time - which would be a Timeship [or car or plane], not a timemachine)
Power in my case comes from a transformer that used to power a Mullard 5-10 Poweramp and 8 X 10H Chokes plus siz 120uF/400V Ansar Film Capacitors. The heaters have also a choke PI filter with 1,000uF / 1H / 68,000uF X 2.
As for C37, why don;t get some and lacquer your Q-Interface with it, inside and out. You may find the results rather surprising.
Sayonara
Nick,
Cutery bases, good idea. I used simple wooden pieces from Homebase that had the right size and where part of some shelf mounting kit. The cost was something like 3 damp Squid. The metal rings on Valve bases BTW are Downlighters for these 12V Dicroic Lamps from the local electrical wholeseller in Edmonton.
BTW, the cost of the Housing pales when you consider the S&B MC Stepups, S&B LCR RIAA EQ's, loads of Chokes and so on. Even "with a little help from my friends" (like Stephen Robinson who sold me all the Ansar Cap's for 100 Squid, Jonathan Billington who wound me the transformers and RIAA for a "nice price", Jon Finlayson who allowed me the use of his Woodworkshop to machine the top board and who cut the Mitres for the Base plus the peopel at Criclewood Electronics, Maplin and RS) the total cost of this Phonostage is quite frightening.
Paying retail for everything would be more so....
Sayonara
BTW, why don't you drop in one of these days? Is the circle still meeting at THAT pub opposite the Masons Hall?
Nuuk said:
Add one of those cheapo wooden cutlery draws for a base, some more C37, and there's no reason not to have a nice (low cost) housing!
KYW, you're a man after my own heart!
Cutery bases, good idea. I used simple wooden pieces from Homebase that had the right size and where part of some shelf mounting kit. The cost was something like 3 damp Squid. The metal rings on Valve bases BTW are Downlighters for these 12V Dicroic Lamps from the local electrical wholeseller in Edmonton.
BTW, the cost of the Housing pales when you consider the S&B MC Stepups, S&B LCR RIAA EQ's, loads of Chokes and so on. Even "with a little help from my friends" (like Stephen Robinson who sold me all the Ansar Cap's for 100 Squid, Jonathan Billington who wound me the transformers and RIAA for a "nice price", Jon Finlayson who allowed me the use of his Woodworkshop to machine the top board and who cut the Mitres for the Base plus the peopel at Criclewood Electronics, Maplin and RS) the total cost of this Phonostage is quite frightening.
Paying retail for everything would be more so....
Sayonara
BTW, why don't you drop in one of these days? Is the circle still meeting at THAT pub opposite the Masons Hall?
I'm way out in the sticks in deepest Somerset (unwaged and no car!) so pub meetings are too far for me to attend or to just 'drop in' (unfortunately).
You'll be glad to hear that list of 'helpers' is still active (clearing out their bottomless parts boxes
) and currently helping me with my first valve project. An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
Koinichiwa,
Looks just Lurvely.... Keep going. BTW, I love those GainKlones....
I do have the sneaky suspicion that they have taken to multiplying like rabbits. ("Die ich rief die geister")
Sayonara
Nuuk said:
You'll be glad to hear that list of 'helpers' is still active (clearing out their bottomless parts boxes
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
Looks just Lurvely.... Keep going. BTW, I love those GainKlones....
I do have the sneaky suspicion that they have taken to multiplying like rabbits. ("Die ich rief die geister")
Sayonara
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
Hey beautiful - doing anything tonight?
Kuei Yang Wang said:
Because I don't care for lacquers of any sort. I prefer tung oil.
And I particularly won't get C37 because I don't care to patronize charlatans. Which is not to say that C37 lacquer can have no effect. Only that Deiter's right up there with Peter Belt in the charlatan department.
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Koinichiwa Eddy San,
Who is a charlatan or not is very much a question of perspective. I could think of people who would declare anyone a charaltan who, for a box containing transformers, claimed:
"The result? Each component is allowed to operate at its optimum, allowing you to hear what your system is truly capable of. "
(BTW, I'm with the guy who wrote this on this one - killing all the various noiseloops and forcing signals into defined current loops has big sonic benefits)
Indeed, they'd probably consider any Transformer incapable to give any possible improvement.
So, they'd probably consider anyone selling a box with Transformers as "system improvement device" a charlatan.
I would recommend to be less judgemental about things that you have no experience with nor any material knowledge of.
Sayonara
Steve Eddy said:
Who is a charlatan or not is very much a question of perspective. I could think of people who would declare anyone a charaltan who, for a box containing transformers, claimed:
"The result? Each component is allowed to operate at its optimum, allowing you to hear what your system is truly capable of. "
(BTW, I'm with the guy who wrote this on this one - killing all the various noiseloops and forcing signals into defined current loops has big sonic benefits)
Indeed, they'd probably consider any Transformer incapable to give any possible improvement.
So, they'd probably consider anyone selling a box with Transformers as "system improvement device" a charlatan.
I would recommend to be less judgemental about things that you have no experience with nor any material knowledge of.
Sayonara
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