Mixed power tubes in a guitar amp?

[RRPip]

Different power tube types in a fender bassman amp?

I thought power tubes has to be matched and the same but I’ve just taken the back of a 59 Ltd and it has a GT6L6R and a GT6L6GE.
One is noticeable taller than the other.

Is this ok?

 

[egellings]

If the tubes are used in a push-pull output stage arrangement, matching is preferred, but not really mandatory, so long as both tubes are in reasonably good condition. I'm not familiar with the Fender amp, but if it has bias adjustments, then matching is less important; what you don't want is one tube hogging current while the other is near cutoff. This would cause a steady magnetization of the output transformer's core, an undesirable condition. If the output stage is self-biased; that is, it uses a common cathode resistor for both tubes, then matching is a better way to go, to ensure that the tubes share the DC quiescent current. You don't want one tube red-plating while the other one is in cutoff. If the tubes are used in parallel in a single ended arrangement, then matching would be less important.

 

[jwilhelm]

in a guitar amp mismatched output tubes are often preferred. It improves the tone. Uncle Doug talks about this in a bunch of his videos. https://www.youtube.com/@UncleDoug

 

[rayma]

Anything that reduces the symmetry, increases the even harmonic distortion. Some think that's good.

 

[egellings]

Guitar amps aren't meant for high fidelity, so anything goes.

 

[RRPip]

Thank you soo much for your help.

 

[egellings]

Guitar amps aren't meant for high fidelity, so anything goes.

The worse the amp, the better they like it.

 

[jhstewart9]

For the curious................And adventurist.
From RDH4, shows 45 & 2A3 in PP, OPT fixes much of the 2H.
In guitar amp practice the tubes should be separately biased.

 

[jhstewart9]

Doug Hammonds 'Firefly'. Yeh, that Hammond.
2H in a small package.

 

[SCD]

I suspect someone was "voicing" the amp and came up with a combination they liked.

 

[jjasniew]

So I take it the second tube in the output only serves as a fixed current sink?

Dont some designs simply wrap the secondary back around to drive the "opposing" tube? One would think a "3rd harmonic" control would be a feature, by driving the otherwise quiescent tube at least some via a potentiometer connected to the secondary.

 

[jhstewart9]

So I take it the second tube in the output only serves as a fixed current sink

The other side is driven by the voltage changes across Rk. So somewhat PP.
This circuit has been making the rounds since before WW2. This one from WW2
when there were shortages of many kinds.

 

[jhstewart9]

The Sparton 8549 BC Receiver uses a self inverting stage with PP 6V6s to drive the loudspeaker.
A common application of this kind of circuit, the marketing department could now boast PP output.

In this example. the inversion is far from perfect for the lower 6V6 in the schematic..
The relation ( mu + 1 ) Rk >> rp + Rl, where Rk is the cathode resister & mu for the tubes.

Try that math on a Mullard long tailed pair, it looks much better.
Several years ago I tried several versions of this circuit. The best results were got
with a Choke as a cathode tail. All the results are here somewhere in DIY.

 

[jjasniew]

Wonder what makes a choke such a useful element - chokes in class A amps as load. chokes in cathode tail, of course chokes in power supply - always better than a resistor, anywhere you put them. Ok, maybe that's a stretch...

 

[egellings]

I suspect that the rationale for using a choke for a plate load impedance is to lower DC resistance. The voltage drop from the DCR greatly reduced, and a lower voltage supply could be used. Resistor thermal noise would also be lowered. For me, chokes live only in my power supplies. You know, I think that chokes are devices that treat electricity cruelly. They make the stuff go round and round so many times through those windings that it comes out so dizzy that it can't even keep its voltage and current in step. What did 'lectric ever do to deserve such awful treatment?

 

[jhstewart9]

The choke in this series of tests was always in the tail of the PP cathodes.
Many other tests with resistors, NFETs, BPT & 3-term regulators were tried
The tests are all real. no simulations. The test mule is a simple PP 6V6s driven
by a triode connected 6AU6. Lots of results, a few of which are here.
As a way to build an amp, it gets my thumbs down.