Marantz CD63 & CD67 mods list

Malefoda said:
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Right now my problem is how to order the caps and such somewhere on the Internet...


http://www.hndme.com/

http://www.welbornelabs.com/

http://www.partsconnexion.com/

http://www.diyparadiso.com/

http://www.schuro.de/

Have a look at the Dale/Vishay resistors, they're very good (non-inductive and low tolerance). Don't go over the top for capacitors, Elna RJH are good. Black Gate are indeed high quality but you best use them where appropriate. One has to have some knowledge of circuits to descide where to make most out of them.
Jaap
 
6h5c said:
3u3 is fine, as long as the input impedance of the following stage is not too low. 20kR will give you a ~2.4Hz/-3dB point with this cap. Shouldn't be a problem. I really have to replace the caps I use at the moment...

Ray.
rowemeister said:
Ray are you refering to R1 and R2 on your FET diagram. Change from 2.4K to 20K?

Brent

Brent, the input impedance of the following amplifier forms a HPF with the coupling cap. To prevent blocking the cut off frequency should be low (like 1 to 5 Hz). f-3dB = 1/(2piCR)
Jaap
 
rowemeister said:
Ray are you refering to R1 and R2 on your FET diagram. Change from 2.4K to 20K?

Brent

???

The 20k would be an example of the input impedance of the next stage (eg. your (pre-) amp). With a 3u3 cap that would lead to 2.4Hz roll-off frequency. Most of the times the impedance is higher, so no problems are to be expected :D.

Ray.
 
rowemeister said:
Jaap what cap did you use on the discrete board. All these around 6uF in size are massive.

I may use a 2.2 with the 3.3 but that will be taking up loads of room too.

Brent

Brent,

The ones I use are 4uF low inductance Multicaps. Got 'm from Partsconnection Canada.
Why don't you try these 15mm caps:

http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=3891082&N=401
Regards, Jaap


PS My (valve)amplifier has highish input impedance so I can settle for a lower value coupling cap.
 
disco said:


Brent,

The ones I use are 4uF low inductance Multicaps. Got 'm from Partsconnection Canada.
Why don't you try these 15mm caps:

http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=3891082&N=401
Regards, Jaap


PS My (valve)amplifier has highish input impedance so I can settle for a lower value coupling cap.

Hi guys!

My maths is rather poor and I couldn't quite work this out :xeye:

Could you help me choose a minimum cap value please? My pre-amps input impedance is 100K.

I hope to be using this discrete output in a couple of weeks or so lol (with FETs)

Thanks!
Simon
 
SimontY said:
Hi guys!

My maths is rather poor and I couldn't quite work this out :xeye:

Could you help me choose a minimum cap value please? My pre-amps input impedance is 100K.

I hope to be using this discrete output in a couple of weeks or so lol (with FETs)

Thanks!
Simon
Simon,

Good choice, the fet buffer ;)

Maths come down to this simple eqation.

Take the outcome of the division of 1 by the result of the input impedance of your amp (in ohm) multiplied by the coupling cap (in Farad) multiplied by 6.28


So, f=1/(6.28 x 100000 x 0.0000033) = 0.48 Hz, which is low enough.
And, f=1/(6.28 x 50000 x 0.0000022) = 1.45 Hz, which is also low enough for 50kHz input and 2.2uF cap.

Regards, Jaap
 
Hello

I did some more mods I replace all the resistors around the opamps with 1% PRP and Vishay/dale metal film, silver mica cap, and black gates in C611-614. First impressions huge improvement in the high frequency much more detail nice deep bass. Also the sound stage seems wider. I will have to give it some time to burn but all in all very happy :D

Regards,

Dave
 
disco said:



http://www.hndme.com/

http://www.welbornelabs.com/

http://www.partsconnexion.com/

http://www.diyparadiso.com/

http://www.schuro.de/

Have a look at the Dale/Vishay resistors, they're very good (non-inductive and low tolerance). Don't go over the top for capacitors, Elna RJH are good. Black Gate are indeed high quality but you best use them where appropriate. One has to have some knowledge of circuits to descide where to make most out of them.
Jaap

Thanks, I'll check !
 
disco said:


Specs look good to me. Maybe you can fit one above and the other below the board? The Evox Rifa are selected for 2.5% I noticed (not carried by Farnell): http://www.evoxrifa.com/cap_catalog/generalp/smr.pdf
Jaap

Seem nice caps mate.

Just looked up my amp input impedence - 150mV / 33k
Freq response (-3db limits) 5 Hz - 70 KHz

Brent
 
Gooch said:
Hello

I did some more mods I replace all the resistors around the opamps with 1% PRP and Vishay/dale metal film, silver mica cap, and black gates in C611-614. First impressions huge improvement in the high frequency much more detail nice deep bass. Also the sound stage seems wider. I will have to give it some time to burn but all in all very happy :D

Regards,

Dave

Hi Dave,

Good to hear you like the results. Matching the filter components brings clarity to the soundstage. Metalfilm resistors are very good for exact values. I like the old carbon composits better for sound but they are hard to obtain in europe. If you can find me some vintage 1/8W Allen Bradley I would be very greatful.
Solid bass notes come from new low esr caps. Black Gate standard series are very good indeed. In my opinion one might settle for smaller capacity than originally applied as they do an excellent job keeping up the voltage and delivering the current with very short delay.
Regards, Jaap
 
Re: CD63 not playing all discs?

disco said:
Whatsdiz?

My second 63 doesn't play all discs. It didn't show up before because my collection digital audio is not that large. I have five discs that play good in other players but are refused by 'Lizzy'.
I already cleaned out the transport, the lense and all connections. When inserted the player gives within 1 second the 'disc' message.
Sevice Mode gives Err10 (Radial error).


Last night I traced the problem down to the RF amp PCB. Shortened the coax' unshielded wire and put the three transistors deeper in the holes (shortened the legs). That did it :D
Jaap
 
disco said:

Simon,

Good choice, the fet buffer ;)

Maths come down to this simple eqation.

Take the outcome of the division of 1 by the result of the input impedance of your amp (in ohm) multiplied by the coupling cap (in Farad) multiplied by 6.28


So, f=1/(6.28 x 100000 x 0.0000033) = 0.48 Hz, which is low enough.
And, f=1/(6.28 x 50000 x 0.0000022) = 1.45 Hz, which is also low enough for 50kHz input and 2.2uF cap.

Regards, Jaap


Hi Jaap,

Many thanks for helping me with that. I'll clearly be very safe with a 2.2uF cap, and that would be OK for other typical amps it could be connected to aswell. Excellent.

In a x-over the LCR cap sounded vastly superior - cleaner with less glare and louder and fuller with bigger imaging and more detail - than a standard Intertechnik metalised film cap.

I have also used them in my preamp for coupling and found them significantly better than the standard recommended metalised box cap that was in there. But I'm starting to wonder if I need any caps in there at all... Hmm, maybe I could have a cap-free input just for the CD player... :scratch1:

Simon (dreams of hearing his CD63 again...)
 
disco said:

Metalfilm resistors are very good for exact values. I like the old carbon composits better for sound but they are hard to obtain in europe.

Interesting... When I "upgraded" to all 1% metal film around the op-amps I found the sound was better and worse at the same time. I eventually put this down to the sound of metal film resistors, which I suspect sound shut-in and not as enjoyable as carbon. Something I need to test more I think. My output resistors are 33R carbon :)
 
disco said:
Solid bass notes come from new low esr caps. Black Gate standard series are very good indeed. In my opinion one might settle for smaller capacity than originally applied as they do an excellent job keeping up the voltage and delivering the current with very short delay.
Regards, Jaap

Interesting insights Jaap. Do you think I have ruined mine by using 3300uF caps around parts? It did sound better, but maybe it would be better still if I'd used smaller ones :xeye:

If I do another player I'll use small Black Gates, as the low values (Standards) aren't all that expensive really.

Si