Agree with Andrew here.
If the silver sounds better, leave it, change the other one.
Use the lead only for gluing, not as inter-conductor. I.e. bent the leg of the components properly to the PCB and "glue" it using lead. If the silver one still sound better, I believe it is component issue.
I'd say nonsense too; the resistive difference between eutectic tin/lead and tin/silver would be in the low micro-ohms at most. With a good active flux, clean metal and proper soldering technique, there's virtually no measurable resistive difference.
The claim of "orders of magnitude" difference in conductivity is simply wrong. A more rigorous testing technique is demanded here.
The claim of "orders of magnitude" difference in conductivity is simply wrong. A more rigorous testing technique is demanded here.
Oh well, then right.... all cables sound the same, parts quality doesn't make a difference, all this is b...sh.t isn't it? Come on guys we should show a bit more openness on these subjects, the least I am asking is not to refuse something without getting any more info on it, or actually trying it.....
For electrical conductivity, the crystallization makes no difference. The mean free path of the electrons is still less than a millionth of an inch.
If there is a difference that is audible, it is not a consequence of the conductivity of the solder. As I said earlier, I'd look at the other very significant differences.
Agreed. At one time I was one of the biggest consumers of tin/silver on the planet, and yes the visual is quite different.
The conduction angle, we agree on. I'm concerned with the temp history and the flux difference.
I'm not clear on what he would be measuring.BTW, should you have access to lab equipment it might be worthwhile to see if any differences show up.
Ciao,
Actually, I believe the bulk of the people are saying that the conductivity angle is not a correct explanation.
If you could measure a difference, that would lead towards a smoking gun. Right now, all you've presented is anecdotal.
jn
Is this a trick question?
Of course they won't sound any different. Regular old physics still applies to cables.
Interesting. When I apply regular old physics to those two significantly different cables, I can see how the use would alter the system response.
Agreed. OP needs to drive both common signal, send to amp, measure out hot L to out hot R, and let us know what he gets.Hi,
If there's an obvious audible difference between the two channels of the stereo amp then measuring each may give a clue to the cause of it.
Might be noise floor, might be frequency response...
Cheers,
Perhaps not. However, the explanation of solder conductivity may indeed be imagination.
It's be nice if you could measure the diff though, I'm interested.
jn
What do you base the first part on?
What is the connection between a "wire sounding different" and "why can't solder"?
jn
Yes, certainly. I find that solder that has too much flux in it will not serve to create joints at all.IIRC it was Jean Hiraga (or one of the other authors of L'Audiophile) who mentioned the importance of the metal content of solder.
Ciao,
I would consider the statement inconsequential to the discussion of solders, wires, and resistance. Please stick to topic.
Well then, lets go over them piece by piece.
On what facts do you base that statement? You've stated nothing factual in support of that, so how exactly is that clear?
You have prefaced this with a statement about wire resistivity which is unsupported by any factual information in your post. How is the connection clear from your sentence.
Now, you are hedging, saying that if the wires can sound different but if not the resistance.... How exactly is that clear? You've left other possibilities unstated..
Stating that one has no factual connections between disjoint entities does not infer causality. Saying that well, ok, maybe it's not resistance but why wouldn't solder sound different? How is that clear?
Had you provided clear arguments, there could be a discussion. For example, the other parameters of a wire pair that solder does not have.
jn
Youve read a lot into the small amount ive said and I'll read into your statements that you're trolling while attempting to appear gentlemanly. If I said they sound different I would assume you could assume I heard the difference. Similar to the way another recent poster heard a difference between two solder types. Troll on neutron..troll on.
As I said, you've not been clear in any way. You have stated anecdotal accounts as factual, in a broken way that certainly is unclear.
And now choose to attack instead of actual discussion.
When you wish to actually discuss, I'm here..
jn
Hi,
The premise being that different metals have different sonic fingerprints. (As in having a timbral character of their own)
E.g. copper wire sounds different compared silver, gold, whatever, even when resistivity is compensated for.
That's what I think the poster means.
Cheers,
The premise being that different metals have different sonic fingerprints. (As in having a timbral character of their own)
E.g. copper wire sounds different compared silver, gold, whatever, even when resistivity is compensated for.
That's what I think the poster means.
Cheers,
Ah, so then attacking me was a perk? Or, was attacking me your way of supporting another?
Either way, you've attacked me in lieu of reasonable discussion.
What you failed to do was consider the possibility that I might believe that wire geometry (RLC) and length can conspire with a speaker's dynamic impedance to make it capable of audible changes to a system.
And that my experience with tin/silver solder is quite significant, as well as the testing of this and other alloys in extreme environments and extreme levels (try testing at the 100 nano-ohm level).
Your first sentence was almost enough that I considered the possibility that you understood wire characteristic impedance, t-line modelling, and system settling time sufficiently to reasonably discuss it's impact on IID and ITD. However, your instant attack mode response has led me to believe otherwise.
jn
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