Hi Esp.
Yes, the repeated arguments from those without experience of BQP is resoundingly boring.....''an empty vessel makes the most din'' comes to mind.
Right now I am listening to a little Panasonic shelf system playing AM radio.....I am able to instantly switch BQP in and out of 240V supply, and the subjective change is readily apparent. (I am willing to elaborate via PM or Skype).
Yes, the subjective listening test is the first step.
Understanding or at least noting subjective changes is the key to defining the testing/measurements protocol.
In the case of an individual BQP, yes expect it to test as a simple 0.025 ohm resistor with expected inductance value according to lead lengths.
The key is to measure system response with BQP in system circuit, but sine/square stimulus will not reveal the changes that are noted subjectively.
Unless one is willing to wager tasting their own Brown 25.
Dan.
But many of these topics are not "highly controversial" at all. They are merely people asserting things which are clearly untrue (like nonsense about feedback "delays"), and then putting their fingers in their ears when others tell them so. There can only be controversy about things which are unknown; once things are known there is nothing to argue about, it is just a case of learning and accepting the truth. Sadly, people seem to think they have the right to reject the truth even before they have bothered to learn it.Jakob2 said:
Having an open mind... when the facts are presented being capable of changing your beliefs... called education or learning.....
Yes but this sort of silly stuff only appears in esoteric audio discussions, a get out of jail free for many scam sellers, you wont hear the benefit until you have forgotten the what you were listening too, sorry cable break in..........
Maybe if some of the BS was reduced, the hobby may attract a new audience in the next generations........
May be because you are attacking the person instead of explaining correctly what he is trying to explain. Of course, usually you cannot explain either, because you also HAVE NO IDEA or you don't experience the phenomenon. But most of the time, you assume that you know everything, and when you don't experience the same phenomenon then you assume that it doesn't exist. Worse, you assume that those who experience it are having hallucination and suddenly, instead of becoming Physics expert (who should be able to explain), you become an expert in Psychology and Neurology.
If you are designing any electronics system you collect and study the DATA SHEETS for ALL components, you don't just pick stuff cos there is some silly quantum BS saying what it does.... only in the world of "silly audio" do some blindly use silly components with NO data or measureable parameters other than BS marketing and a host of people shouting "what wonderful new clothes".
But there is a considerable body of evidence to support that view. The human mind is wired in such as way that it is easy to be fooled. You may not like the fact but its there. Placebo trials are particularly interesting. 3 sugar pills has more effect than 2 as people believe they are getting more of the drug. If something looks nice, or cost a lot, or you made it yourself with love and attention it is likely to sound better because you expect it to.
If someone prefers all silver cabling I have no issues. If they say silver is 'better' I would want some evidence beyond their preference.
It is odd tho that the so called 'hardline objectivists' on this thread are actually more open minded than those having a go at them.
I think scam sellers can be of many forms...
As for cable break-in, my experience is telling me that it is the solder connection. I have no experience where a cable become good sounding after some time (but I don't try to negate the possibility). But if related with new solder connection, YES, I experience it almost anytime.
...und schiebe noch immer Scheiße aus dem Rohr. (© Faust Fckr, Uranus corp.)
In the meantime, Jay is still working on his cups & balls skills.
Yes, of course we all study data sheets, but data sheets do not always quote measurements of all parameters.....you know this.
In the case of BQP, I have no pecuniary interest in them as they are on long term loan.
Further, whilst I hear and understand the subjective effects of BQP on various systems, I do not actually like the 'signature' that they impart.
I take zero heed of the Bybee website claims/explanations and other user reviews, and instead make my own judgements.
I hope this clears my viewpoint for you.
I assume that you have nil personal experience of BQP, please correct me if this is not so.
Dan.
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Just because the thing is new or interesting to you, doesn't mean that you are the only one who knows about it. May be they have questioned themselves before, with the exact same question.
Have you ever paid attention, that these guys have exactly the opposite experience. They have expensive stuff but they don't use it... because they believe in what they hear.
Why did you use quotes on "better"? Because in essence, nobody said that silver is better. In audiophile world, silver is known to be BRIGHT, "crowded". So from positive point of view it gives you some kind of "details". Usually they solve the negative side by using not too much silver (they call it "balancing") or the break-in idea (which is more a mystery, because there is this phenomenon where things just fall in place after some time).
There are rationalizations regarding silver. Better conductivity?? Silver oxide (which will be present if the silver is not coated) has high conductivity?? Skin effect where more current in the outer shell gives phase distortion or delay??
Who knows, if the bright sound of silver is caused by RFI. May be silver is better in picking up RFI?? I don't know but may be you know if it is not possible.
But I know very well from my experience the effect of RFI and AC line on speaker cable and crossover.
Several post before JC mentioned that he "suspect" that we under-estimate the effect of AC impurities. Didn't you suspect that he was "revealing" the idea behind the Bybee device??
Here is my question to the expert:
I know what I hear. If interference (from AC line or RFI) get to the speaker thru the cable/crossover, Does it go directly to speaker, or it goes to the amp and (may be thru the feedback path) get amplified first?
I have no idea. But I know a lot of people that when they experience something, they try to explain it with Physics even tho they know nothing about Physics.
But if you don't know how a "good" joint can get better, then what is the difference with me? We both don't know
Some people say that it is the ears that is breaking in...
If Mildred the Carbon Queen would read what the self appointed high end audio gurus understood from her life time work, she would definitely cringe and shrug
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