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Why cant we just do something like this for the output?
 

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Dear Hockey players (or perhaps `Happy Puckers'?),

A lot of the early discussion was on the choice if the right pairing of devices. Later the conversation and development became centered around second harmonic versus high orders and spectral signature.

Would it simplify things to build a Beastly BA-1 single ended variant as this will remove at least one of these dilemmas?

Beardy
 
Yes, we've seen several for the complementary output stage. Now that I think about it, I worked on a version of a quasi-complementary (~"single-ended") output stage which did not include source resistors back before Pass confirmed that the output stage of XA-25 is complementary. My results in SPICE were promising, but I never built the amp.
 
I have a question about bias servos. In the figure below I show idealized schematics for a 3-stage CFA without any servos, with a single servo, and with a pair of independent servos. Most of the bias circuits in this thread of are of the single servo variety. Not shown is the low-pass filtering needed to eliminate most of the AC component of the vistage across the drain sense resistors.

The question is whether the pair of independent servos will have "dualing servo problems" where there is an oscillation (motorboating) between them. My background does not contain a very good understanding of control theory which addresses problems like this.

Can anyone respond?
 

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one servo with 2 senses or two servos connected in series , is there practical difference?

however , your third picture - they aren't connected in series , and that's big nono , at least in my book , titled - Book of all prices which I paid , in little service room

disclaimer - not exactly that I have special knowledge in servos
 
The situation is actually more complicated. There is also the global feedback loop to the JFET sources.

In various commercial products, such at John Curl's Blowtorch preamp and preamps by others, there is a bias servo combined with an output offset servo, as well as a global feedback loop.
 
What went wrong? I have gone all to the way left with a BJT based servo on the JFET gates that simulated well. You didn't seem to like that one either. Post #925 http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-labs/300233-f4-beast-builders-93.html#post5049646
if you are going to have dedicated bias circuits (in other words current sensing custom converters
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) ......... gate is last place where you need to push

at least for my logic

I have no doubt that everything behaves well in sims , but you know those gates ..... they can feel Sparrow flying 300m away ....