It's not the dog fault they have been poorly trained. But....a healthy spread of peanut butter on bread tossed over the fence so that the dog once it eats it will need lots of time to lick it off of the roof & sides of their mouth .... don't ask me how I know... give it a shot...might work for a short respite of peace...willing to bet they don't give much water for the dog in their backyard which might be a plus for you....
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3673567A/en
I saw the delayed playback idea somewhere relatively recently, but I couldn't find it again in a quick search. I think the delay needs to be relatively short though, so there's a stronger association between the real bark and its playback.
A simple delay in the audible range may not require anything as fancy as the exciters on the fence. With the right microphone (cardioid? or mabye mute the mic during your broadcast to eliminate feedback if it's an issue?), you can probably get away with a self-contained unit that could be put on a window ledge or wherever.
I did find this when I was looking, which has some other interesting ideas. I haven't tried them, so I don't know which are effective (if any).
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3673567A/en
According to the present invention these objects are accomplished through provision of a portable acoustic device which receives the dog bark and re-directs or re-plays it to the dog as an effective mimic to inhibit the barking.
I have discovered that dogs are subject to silencing by mimicry in much the same way that humans are. Anyone who has had another repeat all his words after him can attest that skillful mimicking induces silence. With dogs this is more difficult because the mimicry must be repeated over considerable periods of time, without fail, and with machine-like precision, to have a lasting training effect. If the mimicry is simultaneous, the volume must be overpowering for the dog to hear it over its own barking. If the mimicry is offset in time so that the dog is silent for at least a part of it, much lower volume can be used. Although close tonal fidelity is best for training some dogs, if the mimicry distorts in pitch or duration, this can have additional effect, as it does in the case of humans. Fortunately, effective pitch distortion includes frequency shift so that the mimicry can be accomplished in the frequency range above human audibility but within canine audibility.
In various embodiments of this invention therefore, the replayed signal is rendered inaudible to the human ear by upward frequency displacement while remaining audible to the dog, is delayed in replay by a chosen interval, is rendered overpowering in volume so that the dog hears the mimic bark even though he is at the time barking, or any of these in combination. High directionality of the received and transmitted signals is another provision of the invention.
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Adjustable time delay subcircuits are well known in the art. Delays of several seconds are easily achievable, although for the purposes of this invention delays of less than that are sufficient; adjustment within the range of one one-hundredth second to one second is desirable to suit the characteristics of individual dogs,
I saw the delayed playback idea somewhere relatively recently, but I couldn't find it again in a quick search. I think the delay needs to be relatively short though, so there's a stronger association between the real bark and its playback.
A simple delay in the audible range may not require anything as fancy as the exciters on the fence. With the right microphone (cardioid? or mabye mute the mic during your broadcast to eliminate feedback if it's an issue?), you can probably get away with a self-contained unit that could be put on a window ledge or wherever.
I did find this when I was looking, which has some other interesting ideas. I haven't tried them, so I don't know which are effective (if any).
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3673567A/en
According to the present invention these objects are accomplished through provision of a portable acoustic device which receives the dog bark and re-directs or re-plays it to the dog as an effective mimic to inhibit the barking.
I have discovered that dogs are subject to silencing by mimicry in much the same way that humans are. Anyone who has had another repeat all his words after him can attest that skillful mimicking induces silence. With dogs this is more difficult because the mimicry must be repeated over considerable periods of time, without fail, and with machine-like precision, to have a lasting training effect. If the mimicry is simultaneous, the volume must be overpowering for the dog to hear it over its own barking. If the mimicry is offset in time so that the dog is silent for at least a part of it, much lower volume can be used. Although close tonal fidelity is best for training some dogs, if the mimicry distorts in pitch or duration, this can have additional effect, as it does in the case of humans. Fortunately, effective pitch distortion includes frequency shift so that the mimicry can be accomplished in the frequency range above human audibility but within canine audibility.
In various embodiments of this invention therefore, the replayed signal is rendered inaudible to the human ear by upward frequency displacement while remaining audible to the dog, is delayed in replay by a chosen interval, is rendered overpowering in volume so that the dog hears the mimic bark even though he is at the time barking, or any of these in combination. High directionality of the received and transmitted signals is another provision of the invention.
. . .
Adjustable time delay subcircuits are well known in the art. Delays of several seconds are easily achievable, although for the purposes of this invention delays of less than that are sufficient; adjustment within the range of one one-hundredth second to one second is desirable to suit the characteristics of individual dogs,
I've actually had a bit of experience using ultrasound to train a neighbour's dog, and learnt a few things along the way.
The signal doesn't have to be all that loud, I achieved around 90dB at the dogs ears. A sine wave only works for a brief time. I guess either the dog starts to ignore the signal or goes deaf over the small frequency range. In the end I clipped a mains freq signal, fed it through a differentiator then high passed above 20KHz. The engage switch was in the master bedroom of the In-Laws house. The neglected german shepherd was retrained within a couple of days. It might be more difficult with a dumb dog. Just be consistent with hitting the noise button when the dog barks, at least for a few days.
The signal doesn't have to be all that loud, I achieved around 90dB at the dogs ears. A sine wave only works for a brief time. I guess either the dog starts to ignore the signal or goes deaf over the small frequency range. In the end I clipped a mains freq signal, fed it through a differentiator then high passed above 20KHz. The engage switch was in the master bedroom of the In-Laws house. The neglected german shepherd was retrained within a couple of days. It might be more difficult with a dumb dog. Just be consistent with hitting the noise button when the dog barks, at least for a few days.
Suddenly I was in the same situation a few years ago. Neighbours bought a dog and keep it outside. Since there are marters around here the animal is frightened. Went there with other neighbors several times late at night and the neighbor that is owner of the dog even says directly in our faces (while the dog is heard behind their house) it is not their dog that makes the noise. Sometimes a direct promise is made to solve the issue by letting the animal in but the next day it is the same again. I learnt that pets are kept outside in their native country and that seems a built in mistake.
Police came by a few times when the owners were away from home leaving the animal alone in its outside cage and (illegally) fed the animal to calm it down. The municipality sent a few letters of complaint. Nothing helps except giving the bloody dog poisoned Wurst.
All the soft talk by dog owners that the dog is not the cause etc. don't make the issue less annoying. There should be a diploma to achieve before buying an animal that people are able to keep an animal as it seems that many simply aren't.
Police came by a few times when the owners were away from home leaving the animal alone in its outside cage and (illegally) fed the animal to calm it down. The municipality sent a few letters of complaint. Nothing helps except giving the bloody dog poisoned Wurst.
All the soft talk by dog owners that the dog is not the cause etc. don't make the issue less annoying. There should be a diploma to achieve before buying an animal that people are able to keep an animal as it seems that many simply aren't.
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It's almost never the dogs fault. Dogs are pack animals, they need to live with their pack or they are never happy. It's very sad when they are kicked outside. They will never be happy but they can be trained not to bark.
Either the unhappy dogs fault or the owners fault... the result is the same: very unhappy people. Those dogs that bark and could be trained not to bark will rarely get a training.
Any hobby that gives pleasure to people should not be another persons trouble.
Any hobby that gives pleasure to people should not be another persons trouble.
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Dogs? ... I had to train people!!!!
I live in a "tourist attraction" street ,where every tourist in Buenos Aires is brought to, specially to listen Tango (and watch flashy dancers, etc.)
In fact my house/shop is the tall grey one in the middle of the multi coloured ones
So I have to stand Tango through street placed speakers at different Tourist Restaurants around me from 11AM to 6PM , 7 days a week.
So far so good, I had to get used to them; besides Tango is nice and smooth and anyway it´s "unavoidable", I DO live in a "Tango Street", period.
But restaurants and street shops try to get as cheap as possible personnel, in the last few years Venezuelans, Colombians plus quite a few Peruvians, who all love what they call "Tropical music" .... which it´s not, but a disgusting mixture of Reggaeton and similar stuff ... unbearable.
They play it LOUD, for their own pleasure, "outside" peak Tourist hours, so from 8 AM to 12 AM, and 6PM to 8PM, while they set up or empty tables, merchandise, stalls, etc.
I talked to shop owners, who solve the problem ... for a couple days ... and then it restarts.
I complained to Police to no avail, since they typically get free meals, etc. and say "hey!!! it´s not that loud!!!"
Same with City Inspectors, who get bribed.
So now when I get fed up I set up in my balcony 1 or 2 300W 4x10" Bass cabinets (my bread and butter product) plus a curtain of annoying Piezo tweeters and subject them to a LOUD choice selection of Anna Popovic or SRV or even plain old Kiss from 12AM on .
Their table customers get up and leave, tango dancers lose sync with their background tracks, the works.
I wait for Police to show up (serious) at which point I politely ask them to talk with shop owners and reach some kind of agreement and make it stick.
It always works, and the street becomes quite peaceful, until a new owner leases a restaurant and "thinks" it´s a bright idea to play loud annoying Music to attract customers.
In which case "training" is resumed.
No sure why they complain, Anna is hot and lovely 😉
I live in a "tourist attraction" street ,where every tourist in Buenos Aires is brought to, specially to listen Tango (and watch flashy dancers, etc.)
In fact my house/shop is the tall grey one in the middle of the multi coloured ones
So far so good, I had to get used to them; besides Tango is nice and smooth and anyway it´s "unavoidable", I DO live in a "Tango Street", period.
But restaurants and street shops try to get as cheap as possible personnel, in the last few years Venezuelans, Colombians plus quite a few Peruvians, who all love what they call "Tropical music" .... which it´s not, but a disgusting mixture of Reggaeton and similar stuff ... unbearable.
They play it LOUD, for their own pleasure, "outside" peak Tourist hours, so from 8 AM to 12 AM, and 6PM to 8PM, while they set up or empty tables, merchandise, stalls, etc.
I talked to shop owners, who solve the problem ... for a couple days ... and then it restarts.
I complained to Police to no avail, since they typically get free meals, etc. and say "hey!!! it´s not that loud!!!"
Same with City Inspectors, who get bribed.
So now when I get fed up I set up in my balcony 1 or 2 300W 4x10" Bass cabinets (my bread and butter product) plus a curtain of annoying Piezo tweeters and subject them to a LOUD choice selection of Anna Popovic or SRV or even plain old Kiss from 12AM on .
Their table customers get up and leave, tango dancers lose sync with their background tracks, the works.
I wait for Police to show up (serious) at which point I politely ask them to talk with shop owners and reach some kind of agreement and make it stick.
It always works, and the street becomes quite peaceful, until a new owner leases a restaurant and "thinks" it´s a bright idea to play loud annoying Music to attract customers.
In which case "training" is resumed.
No sure why they complain, Anna is hot and lovely 😉
So it is a double win solution: noise deterrent plus product placement. Nice!
I live too in a place were people usually go on vacation and are pretty noisy. I need to attenuate the noise coming from the street when the windows are open. I often wear earplugs; after many trials I have selected the 3M model 1100 uncorded foam earplugs (the orange one). The material is very soft and comfortable, fit for prolonged use. I always use them before going to bed, because even with closed windows there may be a sudden noise from the street in the middle of the night. They are sold as "single-use" but in reality they may last a few applications. I attach the attenuation table, the nominal attenuation is 37dB. The industrial-use packages are inexpensive, the expiration date is 2 to 3 years and contains 200, 500 or 1000 individually packed pairs. We don't use them in the production floor near 95dB noise sources because they have been deemed to be too effective; we should use the yellow ones (32dB) instead but they are less comfortable and don't provide enough insulation.
I live too in a place were people usually go on vacation and are pretty noisy. I need to attenuate the noise coming from the street when the windows are open. I often wear earplugs; after many trials I have selected the 3M model 1100 uncorded foam earplugs (the orange one). The material is very soft and comfortable, fit for prolonged use. I always use them before going to bed, because even with closed windows there may be a sudden noise from the street in the middle of the night. They are sold as "single-use" but in reality they may last a few applications. I attach the attenuation table, the nominal attenuation is 37dB. The industrial-use packages are inexpensive, the expiration date is 2 to 3 years and contains 200, 500 or 1000 individually packed pairs. We don't use them in the production floor near 95dB noise sources because they have been deemed to be too effective; we should use the yellow ones (32dB) instead but they are less comfortable and don't provide enough insulation.
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At least nobody suggested ethylene glycol...
Have you thought of mixing some metal with baroque, and playing it backwards at high volumes while wearing a pair of Peltors?
Or just record a sequence of DTMF tones and play them at random on a sound activation by barking? 🙂
Even better - have a sound activated system blast "who let the dogs out"...
Have you thought of mixing some metal with baroque, and playing it backwards at high volumes while wearing a pair of Peltors?
Or just record a sequence of DTMF tones and play them at random on a sound activation by barking? 🙂
Even better - have a sound activated system blast "who let the dogs out"...
Be proactive instead of reactive. Convince the tour guides to bring tourists somewhere else. Perpetuate a rumor that it is dangerous for tourists there. Tell them there are rampant pickpocketings, food that will make them ill, etc. Find out where the tourists get their info and put measures there.
I used to live in Montmartre, which is tourist central. Fortunately my street was dark and scary, tourists would not come too far up the street, not near my building. Then the city of Paris had the bright idea to install street lights. 😡 Now there were drunken Swedes and Germans singing outside my building at 3AM most nights. I threw a lot of things out the window. My friend Michel who lived right over the Montmartre steps would dump his garbage directly on their heads. For years he never took out the trash to the cans, it all went out the window.
Tourists don't stay around long enough to train. The dog next door might.
Tourists don't stay around long enough to train. The dog next door might.
I used to use my smaller desktop version ESL ("3x9") to annoy the neighbors dogs quite Nicely !!
A simple small ES driver and drive can be made very easily, even a single ended driver would work well.
My system goes well above 20Khz and at +115db to boot !
Those muts would not shut up so I gave it a try one day and kept them busy for a Longggg while, it was actually pretty funny to watch them in their dumbfoundedness 😉
Ahhh,ha,ha,ha.........
FWIW
jer 🙂
A simple small ES driver and drive can be made very easily, even a single ended driver would work well.
My system goes well above 20Khz and at +115db to boot !
Those muts would not shut up so I gave it a try one day and kept them busy for a Longggg while, it was actually pretty funny to watch them in their dumbfoundedness 😉
Ahhh,ha,ha,ha.........
FWIW
jer 🙂
I bet that ESL panel creates a very directional beam, since by definition it "should" create a full surface flat wave specially at 20kHz, where transducer dimensions are way larger than wavelength.
Those 115dB must hold quite well at long distance.
Montmartre must have been something indeed.
People living elsewhere come visit and say "hey, what a cool place" , "I love it!", etc., but in the long run it becomes annoying.
I moved from a posh Buenos Aires district to a river port marginal one, full of ship repair and supply shops, container "fiscal deposits", largest textile Factory in Buenos Aires, steel products suppliers, etc. , plus tons of wood-and-corrugated-sheet tenement houses where all immigrants lived when first arrived to Argentina (that´s why this is a "historical" neighbourhood) , specifically because I could saw wood or play 300W amps at 3 AM with no complaints, stink the block with paint thinner fumes or Tolex adhesive toluene and xylene, customers could park their vans to pick up stuff and go straight to the club, stadium or on tour, suppliers could park at my door to deliver 10 sheet packs of chipboard or MDF or full Tolex rolls or full aluminum sheets, the works, but now lost all that.
It became a Pedestrian only street, everybody must park at least 1 block away, a mess.
So "progress" does not mean the same to different people.
Those 115dB must hold quite well at long distance.
Montmartre must have been something indeed.
People living elsewhere come visit and say "hey, what a cool place" , "I love it!", etc., but in the long run it becomes annoying.
I moved from a posh Buenos Aires district to a river port marginal one, full of ship repair and supply shops, container "fiscal deposits", largest textile Factory in Buenos Aires, steel products suppliers, etc. , plus tons of wood-and-corrugated-sheet tenement houses where all immigrants lived when first arrived to Argentina (that´s why this is a "historical" neighbourhood) , specifically because I could saw wood or play 300W amps at 3 AM with no complaints, stink the block with paint thinner fumes or Tolex adhesive toluene and xylene, customers could park their vans to pick up stuff and go straight to the club, stadium or on tour, suppliers could park at my door to deliver 10 sheet packs of chipboard or MDF or full Tolex rolls or full aluminum sheets, the works, but now lost all that.
It became a Pedestrian only street, everybody must park at least 1 block away, a mess.
So "progress" does not mean the same to different people.
cowanaudio to neighbor "mind if I set up this measurement microphone in your back yard? I want to make sure my stereo's sound level isnt offensive here at your place". Neighbor "surething, pal" Plays stereo and 20kHz sine wave from deterrent contraption.
"Got it - thanks!" - "whatever, buddy!"